What is your Dragon Ball canon?
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Re: What is your canon of Db?
I think everything is canon with sufficient multiversing. Though, my main canon is:
Dragon Ball Manga
Heya!! Son Goku and his Friends Return!(Manga)
Battle of Gods
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Heya!! Son Goku and his Friends Return!(Manga)
Battle of Gods
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: What is your canon of Db?
Main canon. (Not including guidebooks)
Manga (Kanzenban).
Heya!! Son Goku and his friends return! (Manga)
Battle of Gods.
Manga (Kanzenban).
Heya!! Son Goku and his friends return! (Manga)
Battle of Gods.
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Re: What is your canon of Db?
Manga
Daizenshuu and SEG
Movie 1
Movie 5
Movie 9
Movie 13
Non-contradictory filler
Daizenshuu and SEG
Movie 1
Movie 5
Movie 9
Movie 13
Non-contradictory filler
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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I go by the manga versions because, well, this is my manga canon.Tyro wrote:Just curious, but why the manga adaptations for these? Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, the manga releases followed the anime releases which would make them the spin-offs. Just like in the rare case that a book is movie-inspired.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Manga spin-offs:
- Dragon Ball: Heya! Son Goku and Friends Return!! (manga adaptation)
- Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock (manga adaptation)
BTW, JSAT was released into an anime, then adapted into a manga. EoB was released into a manga, then into an anime.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: What is your canon of Db?
To each his own, but it seems to me that the format shouldn't matter in cases like the former, because it still comes down to one version drawing inspiration from the other. I wouldn't have much of an issue accepting the Bardock TV special in my continuity because it's what gave inspiration to the two panels in the manga.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I go by the manga versions because, well, this is my manga canon.Tyro wrote:Just curious, but why the manga adaptations for these? Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, the manga releases followed the anime releases which would make them the spin-offs. Just like in the rare case that a book is movie-inspired.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Manga spin-offs:
- Dragon Ball: Heya! Son Goku and Friends Return!! (manga adaptation)
- Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock (manga adaptation)
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BTW, JSAT was released into an anime, then adapted into a manga. EoB was released into a manga, then into an anime.
For the latter I would go with the manga as well.
Re: What is your canon of Db?
Manga
Heya Son Goku and Friends Return
Battle of Gods
Trunks and Bardock specials. (NOT EOB)
Heya Son Goku and Friends Return
Battle of Gods
Trunks and Bardock specials. (NOT EOB)
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Basically, Toriyama's comment about the JSAT manga adaptation made me feel that the manga version is a better choice, since he talked like it was a new special chapter (well, chapters, since it was split in 2).Tyro wrote:To each his own, but it seems to me that the format shouldn't matter in cases like the former, because it still comes down to one version drawing inspiration from the other. I wouldn't have much of an issue accepting the Bardock TV special in my continuity because it's what gave inspiration to the two panels in the manga.
For the latter I would go with the manga as well.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: What is your canon of Db?
JSAT Special's manga came after the animation, but Episode of Bardock was released as a manga first.Tyro wrote:Just curious, but why the manga adaptations for these? Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, the manga releases followed the anime releases which would make them the spin-offs. Just like in the rare case that a book is movie-inspired.
Re: What is your canon of Db?
None. Nothing.
My favorite version of the story, though, is the one told through the core events of the manga/original anime and GT. I guess that can include the JUMP 2008 special, but I don't particularly care for the effect Episode of Bardock or Battle of Gods have on it.
My favorite version of the story, though, is the one told through the core events of the manga/original anime and GT. I guess that can include the JUMP 2008 special, but I don't particularly care for the effect Episode of Bardock or Battle of Gods have on it.
Re: What is your canon of Db?
Ajay brings up an interesting point about the time travel, however, I'm not sure you can discount Movie 13 from the canon if you accept that GT is. Goku uses the Ryu-ken all throughout GT, and being that it seemingly comes to him during M13, does that not necessitate that M13 be canon? Or at least that GT cannot be canon without it?
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Not really. It just means that Goku developed the attack sometime after the Buu Arc. I'm pretty sure Goku never says that the fight with Hirudegarn was the first time he ever used the attack.Dalesy wrote:Ajay brings up an interesting point about the time travel, however, I'm not sure you can discount Movie 13 from the canon if you accept that GT is. Goku uses the Ryu-ken all throughout GT, and being that it seemingly comes to him during M13, does that not necessitate that M13 be canon? Or at least that GT cannot be canon without it?
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Re: What is your canon of Db?
You can discount whatever you want, really. But I will say I include Movie 13 in my favorite version of events for this reason.Dalesy wrote:Ajay brings up an interesting point about the time travel, however, I'm not sure you can discount Movie 13 from the canon if you accept that GT is. Goku uses the Ryu-ken all throughout GT, and being that it seemingly comes to him during M13, does that not necessitate that M13 be canon? Or at least that GT cannot be canon without it?
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By the Anime version, you mean the TV special, right?TheGmGoken wrote:This is one of the few comments I'll reply to. Do you go by Anime History of Trunks or Manga Version? I ask cause you said the manga.
Well, the manga in that case, since Trunks is directly SSJ from the start in the manga, unlike in the special.
I don't want to get off-topic, but Kamiccolo, Goku took a lot more of those cheap-teleporation off-guard hits than Gohan.
Gotenks also was completely fine, he had no sign of being tired, or else he would revert to base.
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Re: What is your canon of Db?
Goku also has shonen-bullshit induced plot armor. In the Freeza fight, Goku, at 3 million, took over a dozen hits from 50% Freeza, who was at 60 million, without being crippled or killed. I see no problem with him being able to do the same with Hirudegarn.PerfectFreeza wrote:By the Anime version, you mean the TV special, right?TheGmGoken wrote:This is one of the few comments I'll reply to. Do you go by Anime History of Trunks or Manga Version? I ask cause you said the manga.
Well, the manga in that case, since Trunks is directly SSJ from the start in the manga, unlike in the special.
I don't want to get off-topic, but Kamiccolo, Goku took a lot more of those cheap-teleporation off-guard hits than Gohan.
Gotenks also was completely fine, he had no sign of being tired, or else he would revert to base.
If I remember correctly, Hirudegarn also was injured when he fought Goku. Wasn't his tail blown off or something?
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He could be using the invincible Kaioken x 10, when Freeza was beating him up.
Yes, he was injured.But that was only after Goku already returned to the battle as SSJ3.He even took a good amount of hits from 1st form Hildegarn in base.
Yes, he was injured.But that was only after Goku already returned to the battle as SSJ3.He even took a good amount of hits from 1st form Hildegarn in base.
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Re: What is your canon of Db?
He took an unguarded kick from Freeza while he was charging the Genki Dama. He definitely wasn't using the Kaio-Ken then.PerfectFreeza wrote:He could be using the invincible Kaioken x 10, when Freeza was beating him up.
Yes, he was injured.But that was only after Goku already returned to the battle as SSJ3.He even took a good amount of hits from 1st form Hildegarn in base.
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Well for my canon:
Dragon Ball (manga)
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return (maybe)
Battle of Gods
Outside of Battle of Gods and considering the Jump special, I don't consider any of the anime canon (not the episodes, the movies, or the specials; I go with the manga version of Trunks' origin).
I try to, for the most part, stick with what Toriyama's done. So, the original, of course. He basically wrote Battle of Gods after he was done with it, so that too. Just not sure about the Jump special, can't remember what was its deal.
Dragon Ball (manga)
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return (maybe)
Battle of Gods
Outside of Battle of Gods and considering the Jump special, I don't consider any of the anime canon (not the episodes, the movies, or the specials; I go with the manga version of Trunks' origin).
I try to, for the most part, stick with what Toriyama's done. So, the original, of course. He basically wrote Battle of Gods after he was done with it, so that too. Just not sure about the Jump special, can't remember what was its deal.
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Re: What is your canon of Db?
Two universes:
Universe 1:
- All the original manga, and the idea of Neko Majin Z with Uub living with Gokuh some years after the end.
- 2008 Special
- Battle of Gods
- Dragon Ball Online
Universe 2:
- Anime series
- DBGT
- Toyble's DBAF
Universe 1:
- All the original manga, and the idea of Neko Majin Z with Uub living with Gokuh some years after the end.
- 2008 Special
- Battle of Gods
- Dragon Ball Online
Universe 2:
- Anime series
- DBGT
- Toyble's DBAF
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No disrespect to your canon but can Fan made work be consider canon? I understand that DB is loose canon but I think official material only counts in options for your canon.Raykugen wrote:Two universes:
Universe 1:
- All the original manga, and the idea of Neko Majin Z with Uub living with Gokuh some years after the end.
- 2008 Special
- Battle of Gods
- Dragon Ball Online
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- DBGT
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Well, is my own canon, it isn't? I think Toyble's AF is a good continuation to GT, and is what I keep on my mind, for my universe where GT happens, AF happens, anyways, this is not my MAIN canon, my main canon is the first one, this is just something alternative...TheGmGoken wrote:No disrespect to your canon but can Fan made work be consider canon? I understand that DB is loose canon but I think official material only counts in options for your canon.Raykugen wrote:Two universes:
Universe 1:
- All the original manga, and the idea of Neko Majin Z with Uub living with Gokuh some years after the end.
- 2008 Special
- Battle of Gods
- Dragon Ball Online
Universe 2:
- Anime series
- DBGT
- Toyble's DBAF
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