Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

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Re: Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

Post by Cold Skin » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:39 am

There would be certain difficulties when it comes to Dragon Ball, namely that it's a very progressive story that takes its time to develop the story and make abilities evolve.
With most comics characters, you have an origin story and they can get all their powers more or less simultaneously, and then you can just pick any bad guy you want and invent a storyline of your own.

With Dragon Ball, starting with the adventures of kid Goku would be unappealing to the general audience (often, people will go "a goofy kid as the hero in a magical world, that's a movie for little kids").

It would have to start directly with grown-up Goku and the most popular and serious parts of the story.
But then, how do you start like that with so many elements that are settled, and with relationships and abilities developped over the course of years? Can you really sum it all up in two minutes without people thinking "what kind of intro is this, the movie just starts and they just pull out of their hat the fact that the hero already has the habit of saving the world with his super strength?! And they bring a villain just for 10 seconds and we won't even get to see what happened in details with those fights?!"

Goku didn't know how to fly and fire blasts just because that's the way he is, he had to slowly learn one thing after another as sagas went by, and he didn't meet friends that magically had super powers from the start too, so it might be a bit hard and feel terribly rushed for the general audience to relate to a story that would start with "here's a superhero who has powers and already saved the world, and his super friends who also have super powers, deal with it, let the story begin! Oh, and magical ball that grant wishes and give its title to the movie itself, but you won't even get to see that!"

People like those new superhero movies cause they can start from the beginning and learn how they became what they became and better understand the logic behind a story that initially might have seemed farfetched and simplistic to them. But starting Dragon Ball at the beginning would not be appealing to the general public at a time where the successful thing is to show a grittier, deeper and realistic vision of superheroes.
And at the same time, skipping the whole origins of the characters with a quick 30 seconds to 30 minutes explanation might feel rushed for a supposedly "first movie of this new series of films". So, it's not easy to deal with an adaptation of Dragon Ball.

And that's also the thing with any other elements: how do you compact so many information and plot devices slowly building a certain situation into a two-hours movie?!
With everything happening on Namek, or with the whole Cell saga including the androids, would it be possible to compact it all withing two hours without the whole thing feeling messy and chaotic?
What could possibly be eliminated to make it quicker when the original is carefully organized so that one thing logically leads to another, which logically leads to the next thing, which logically leads to the next thing, which logically leads to the epic final battle?

So, to take on an adaptation of Dragon Ball, you have to love challenge, cause it's not the easiest plot and concepts to convert to movies!
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Cold Skin wrote:(possibly due to a future event - that I'd rather not mention and don't want to imagine - that might prompt the industry to give a full-power tribute).
By the way, I know I might seem ignorant for not knowing, but what "future event" are you talking about?
Well, the kind of event that typically results in tributes and that struck a certain number of voice actors for Dragon Ball lately.
I'd have no problem saying it frankly myself, but it might offend people around if I did cause I hear in some cultures, it is believed that saying it directly will result in it happening!
Like, attracting bad luck on the person or something... So I'll leave it at that, there's no point in thinking about something that has no reason to happen anyway! 8)

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Re: Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

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DoomieDoomie911 wrote:
Cold Skin wrote:(possibly due to a future event - that I'd rather not mention and don't want to imagine - that might prompt the industry to give a full-power tribute).
By the way, I know I might seem ignorant for not knowing, but what "future event" are you talking about?
Well, the kind of event that typically results in tributes and that struck a certain number of voice actors for Dragon Ball lately.
I'd have no problem saying it frankly myself, but it might offend people around if I did cause I hear in some cultures, it is believed that saying it directly will result in it happening!
Like, attracting bad luck on the person or something... So I'll leave it at that, there's no point in thinking about something that has no reason to happen anyway! 8)
OK, I think I know what you mean now. 8)
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Re: Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

Post by DBZ Mick » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:01 pm

I don't think they should do a straight up adaptation either... but then Evolution tried it's own spin and failed badly...
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Re: Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

Post by Ringworm128 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:51 pm

If it was an adventure movie with Kid Goku as the main character people would probably see it as a kids film (which it probably would be) but there are plenty of kids films that are liked by the general public. If they made it a good 90min-2 hour movies they could fit all the important plot details of the Pilaf arc into a single movie. And it could have stuff like them running away from dinosaurs and other stuff to keep the movie exciting for the general public. Also there seems to be an audience for a DB movie, DBE got a lot of hype, negative hype but hype nonetheless.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:20 am

ringworm128 wrote: Also there seems to be an audience for a DB movie, DBE got a lot of hype, negative hype but hype nonetheless.
A lot of hype, since when? If there was a lot of hype for the movie then we got a lot of stuff DB merchandise released with the movie like new DB DVD's. Instead we got crappy toys and childern books that no one seem to buy. Also I think a DB movie can work depending who directs it and writes. James Wong may claim to be a fan, but he is a bad director. Did anyone think the director of The One (which no one seems to remember) and remake of Black Christmas (which sucked) directing a DB movie would be a good idea? His movies awful and Final Destination is the only movie that he did that was decent.
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Re: Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:14 am

ringworm128 wrote:As long as the CG didn't look like the Sparking games intros I would be fine with the idea. And as I've said before, with the right crew and budget anything can be done well in live action. Sadly DBE had neither of those.
If they could make a beautiful CG like Appleseed, then it is certainly a possible for Dragon Ball. It wouldn't hurt to give it a try.
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Post by Ringworm128 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:22 am

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ringworm128 wrote: Also there seems to be an audience for a DB movie, DBE got a lot of hype, negative hype but hype nonetheless.
A lot of hype, since when? If there was a lot of hype for the movie then we got a lot of stuff DB merchandise released with the movie like new DB DVD's. Instead we got crappy toys and childern books that no one seem to buy. Also I think a DB movie can work depending who directs it and writes. James Wong may claim to be a fan, but he is a bad director. Did anyone think the director of The One (which no one seems to remember) and remake of Black Christmas (which sucked) directing a DB movie would be a good idea? His movies awful and Final Destination is the only movie that he did that was decent.
DBE had NEGATIVE hype from the fans, people were talking about it. Only difference is that everyone was talking about how they weren't going to go see it and how they were going to tell everyone they know to avoid the movie. But if the movie looked promising and everyone was going "F..K YEAH, I'm so going to see that" It would have been much more successful at opening and if it actually was a legitimately good movie it would spread through word of mouth.

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Re: Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:24 am

Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?
Can a cow milk a cow while holding a bee's house with the bee inside making love to each other to produce honey babies that flies 99999 mph when on steroids they got from a man that was slower than a pig eating bacon he got from a bird that killed a farmer with a shotgun who saw the bird eating his children that killed the bird eggs(babies) because they was ugly?

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Re: Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

Post by Captain-Sora » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:37 am

DBZ Mick wrote:I don't think they should do a straight up adaptation either... but then Evolution tried it's own spin and failed badly...
To be fair, most of its changes weren't the big problems with the movie. True, there are things we do complain about regarding its faithfulness and what aspects of the film shouldn't have omitted or changed, so much so that many reviews for the film were more about its inaccuracy than anything else, but ultimately, what makes it a poor movie was the fact that it's a badly made film. The acting was weak, the plot and character development was rushed, the teen romance was cliche and felt tacked on, and the action scenes left a lot to be desired. All in all, if all of those things were approached better, it probably wouldn't have been that terrible of a movie despite the changes.

However, the fan reaction the movie received does beg the question of whether such a venture should ever be attempted again, even if they had the right people for the job. Like I said, most of the complaints focused on what the film failed to get right and how it didn't really capture the spirit of Dragon Ball, not on the more significant flaws that render it a terrible flick. So even if the right director, studio and so forth got the chance to create a new film, there will undeniably still be some fan backlash. Hell, look at the Nolan Batman films. They're extremely well received yet there are still fans who are against them just because they were realistic and more like "NYPD featuring Batman" than a proper, accurate adaptation.

Now imagine a project like Dragon Ball, a story that's even more inherently comic booky/cartoony and surreal. The compromises that would have to be made regarding plot elements, concepts, and designs would have to be even more extreme, otherwise you risk alienating people with some farfetched, stupid looking movie that gives faithful adaptations like the Flintstones movie a run for its money in the camp department. Hell, even faithful anime adaptations based on more grounded series like Death Note were still extremely cringe-worthy because the of cheap CGI characters and melodramatic anime-esque acting and mannerisms that were impossible to take seriously.

Considering just how outlandish Dragon Ball is, I think the project is just too demanding to translate into live-action without getting some sort of negative backlash, not to mention how difficult it actually is to adapt in the first place. Going with just about any direction would be such a bold risk.

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Post by DBZ Mick » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:53 am

Well, yeah, I agree that those changes were the least of the film's problems.

I was hoping it would be so bad it was good but it was just straight up bad. That whole sequence at that volcano with Piccolo's spawn was so poorly shot, I didn't know what was happening for one.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Re: Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

Post by Ringworm128 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:15 am

Captain-Sora wrote:
DBZ Mick wrote:I don't think they should do a straight up adaptation either... but then Evolution tried it's own spin and failed badly...
To be fair, most of its changes weren't the big problems with the movie. True, there are things we do complain about regarding its faithfulness and what aspects of the film shouldn't have omitted or changed, so much so that many reviews for the film were more about its inaccuracy than anything else, but ultimately, what makes it a poor movie was the fact that it's a badly made film. The acting was weak, the plot and character development was rushed, the teen romance was cliche and felt tacked on, and the action scenes left a lot to be desired. All in all, if all of those things were approached better, it probably wouldn't have been that terrible of a movie despite the changes.

However, the fan reaction the movie received does beg the question of whether such a venture should ever be attempted again, even if they had the right people for the job. Like I said, most of the complaints focused on what the film failed to get right and how it didn't really capture the spirit of Dragon Ball, not on the more significant flaws that render it a terrible flick. So even if the right director, studio and so forth got the chance to create a new film, there will undeniably still be some fan backlash. Hell, look at the Nolan Batman films. They're extremely well received yet there are still fans who are against them just because they were realistic and more like "NYPD featuring Batman" than a proper, accurate adaptation.

Now imagine a project like Dragon Ball, a story that's even more inherently comic booky/cartoony and surreal. The compromises that would have to be made regarding plot elements, concepts, and designs would have to be even more extreme, otherwise you risk alienating people with some farfetched, stupid looking movie that gives faithful adaptations like the Flintstones movie a run for its money in the camp department. Hell, even faithful anime adaptations based on more grounded series like Death Note were still extremely cringe-worthy because the of cheap CGI characters and melodramatic anime-esque acting and mannerisms that were impossible to take seriously.

Considering just how outlandish Dragon Ball is, I think the project is just too demanding to translate into live-action without getting some sort of negative backlash, not to mention how difficult it actually is to adapt in the first place. Going with just about any direction would be such a bold risk.
DBE was extremely bashed not because it didn't capture the spirit of the source material but because it didn't get ANYTHING right, right down to how the characters acted and looked nothing was like DB sub or dub. Even if they did make it like Nolan Batman it would have been well received enough as long as it stayed faithful enough for people to go "yeah that's DB".

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Post by Cursed Lemon » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:29 am

Imagine Goku's hair in a live-action film.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:23 am

You change stuff from the source material but still make a good movie. The Mask was pretty much a water down version of the comics, but it was still a good movie.
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Post by Jackal puFF » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:59 pm

Whoever has the rights for the movie just has to find the right director and writer that really like dragonball and be able to get actors really well trained and like maybe this guy.. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=150510528483092

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Re: Could Dragonball be done well in live-action?

Post by Ringworm128 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:29 am

Personally I think Steven Speilberg would be able to pull of a good DB movie, I reckon he could pull of the childish heart of the series without making it over silly and also have the more serious moments blend in well.

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