Trunks, Ginyu, and Freeza DVDs re-authored?

tablet the eunuch · Post by **tablet the eunuch** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:16 pm

Hahahah beaver boy, that's funny.

I have to ask though, do you own one?

PS The DVDs are actually more around the 88 mark, and most of them can be found around ten or so bucks.

Also you have to take into account, with the Dragonbox, that there's extra shipping involved. Atleast in Australia, you have to pay in the area of 20% of the product price, plus shipping on top (which includes courier delivery and tracking). You could go the cheaper option and choose free/cheaper postal services, but would YOU trust $800USD+ worth of DVDs in regular postmans hands, especially given the slow deliveries these days?

And take a look at Pioneers/ADV's sailor moon. Another Toei series, each with their own faults of bad video, interlacing, not exactly tip-top audio, and No next episode previews. Oh gosh what a coincidence! More proof? Look at ADV's Saint Seiya too, sure it has next episode previews, but it also has overlays and fairly spotty video quality. Once again, you can only work. Sure they could of gone the way of AnimEigo, and spent millions of dollars re-touching up and remastering 500+ 22 minute episodes, 17+ movies and 3 TV specials.

They could of done that, however the cost would not be justifiable, because a majority of the people don't relaly care. many people simply accept that its old.

Once again, theres more to it than meets the eyes. No one intentionally dos a bad product (ok, I lie, some do), but in this circumstance they get stuck with what they have. you simply cant go and remaster them like that, because it costs

-Time
-money
-manpower

All of which are justifiable for extra sales, like AnimEigo with macross (as it was aimed for a niche audience who would not accept any less), but in this case, they knew their target audience and atleast catered for a more "hardcore" fanbase.

So seriously, ban sangofe and get back on the topic. I'm tired of this shit.

Xeries · Post by **Xeries** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:49 pm

EX and tablet, I will respond to both post either much later today, or tomorrow. Quickly though, the beaver boy comment, although a bit childish and maybe uncalled for, was because of the avatar and the fact that you said it wasn't progressive, then rolled your eyes, rudeness in one fashion deserves it in another. Also, EX, Sangofe didn't really attack your forums members, he was letting them know what they were saying was incorrect. You saying, " if you're going to start spewing video tech, at least spend a few years learning what it's all about" seemed to be more of a personal attack than anything he wrote... Just because you write no offense, doesn't make it any less offensive (and don't worry, I'll be back later to "spew more video tech"). Lastly, tablet, why do you want Sangofe banned, simply because he helped to disprove you?

Anyway I wil respond to all of that when i have a bit more time, either later today or early tomorrow.

-Xeries

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:55 pm

Xeries wrote:EX and tablet, I will respond to both post either much later today, or tomorrow. Quickly though, the beaver boy comment, although a bit childish and maybe uncalled for, was because of the avatar and the fact that you said it wasn't progressive, then rolled your eyes, rudeness in one fashion deserves it in another. Also, EX, Sangofe didn't really attack your forums members, he was letting them know what they were saying was incorrect. You saying, " if you're going to start spewing video tech, at least spend a few years learning what it's all about" seemed to be more of a personal attack than anything he wrote... Just because you write no offense, doesn't make it any less offensive (and don't worry, I'll be back later to "spew more video tech"). Lastly, tablet, why do you want Sangofe banned, simply because he helped to disprove you?

Anyway I wil respond to all of that when i have a bit more time, either later today or early tomorrow.

-Xeries

If you want to take offense to it, so be it. I'm not saying things I don't understand the technical backing on, at least.

Not that I feel I have to report to anyone on it, but sangofe's attitude and grammar has been questionable since day one, and has little to do with this one specific thread; I just happened to put the final warning in this thread.

Remember that everyone is a guest on this board, just as I am a guest on any other board I visit. I expect everyone to follow the rules, just as I would (and do) elsewhere.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:59 pm

I should point out that when I said that the FUNi ones were cheaper, I was referring to the original Dragonball, where I believe that buying the 13(?) or so FUNi DVDs works out cheaper than buying the Dragonbox.

But, as another point, $25 was used for each FUNi DVD in totalling the total cost, right? Surely the fact that lots of places sell them for far, far less, combined with the fact that some DVDs have 4 episodes on them, should be taken into account?

There's also the fact that you lot would have to buy a multi-region DVD player, or get yours chipped. (Not so much a problem over here, where almost every DVD player has the ability to become multi region with just a remote control code.)

Finally, regarding the whole NTSC-Never the Same Colour thing. I can play my FUNi DVDs back fine on my TV, with proper RGB (through a SCART lead, which isn't used in the US, right?) If I do that, I can't alter the colour settings, as is the case with everything that uses a full-RGB Scart Lead. So...wouldn't those colours shown be the "correct" colours, as it were?

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:21 pm

The only thing visually better about the Dragonboxes is the grain. Nothing more. I prefer the way the FUNi DVD's look. TOEI's just looks TOO outdated for my tastes.

The audio is primarily the same, both Dolby 2.0 mono.

And the only way FUNi's DVD's are more expensive than buying all of Dragonbox is if you're on drugs. You can get all the DVD's after the Artificial Human arc for $16.99 here: http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi ... &cid=17359 and at the same site, you can get the Freeza saga, Trunks, Ginyu, and Artificial Human DVD's for $10.99. And the Dragonball DVD's are WAAAAAAY cheaper than buying the original DB box. You save half a thousand. I don't see why people would buy these things without subtitles either unless they were fluent in Japanese. I wouldn't want to sit there guessing at what the characters are saying, regardless if I knew the plot or not.

EDIT: I just watched Tree of Might which is said to be Progressive, and one of FUNi's movies which are interlaced on my monitor. I honeslty see no difference or any of these "lines" you speak of. Perhaps your monitor is shitty?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:29 pm

About seeing all the interlacing, I know that when I've occasionally watched episodes on my monitor, I have not detected these lines either. I think it could be that you have a bad monitor. Then again, I'm not as technically saavy as EX and many others here, and maybe I'm not "trained" to see these things so to speak, but I just thought I'd add my "two cents". Besides which even if it looks bad on a monitor, why attack it? It's meant to play on DVD player, which is better equipped to give a better quality playback than a computer monitor. I hardly ever watch DVDs on my monitor, because I know that I'm going to get a better viewing experience on my DVD player.

Xeries · Post by **Xeries** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:38 pm

EX, look, I didn't say I took offense to it, because I didn't, I said it was more offensive than what Sangofe said. Also, you seem to thing you are some technical wizard and I have no idea what I am talking about which I assure you isn't the case. When I get a little more time I'll write a response, but you need to realize I'm not just a person coming here to bash FUNi and their DVDs, I am pointing out everything incorrect about them when compared to the Dragon Boxes because people here seemed to think they were better. Again, in a little while when I get some time I'll respond to everything since my post.

Peace,
-Xeries

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:42 pm

Xeries wrote:EX, look, I didn't say I took offense to it, because I didn't, I said it was more offensive than what Sangofe said. Also, you seem to thing you are some technical wizard and I have no idea what I am talking about which I assure you isn't the case. When I get a little more time I'll write a response, but you need to realize I'm not just a person coming here to bash FUNi and their DVDs, I am pointing out everything incorrect about them when compared to the Dragon Boxes because people here seemed to think they were better. Again, in a little while when I get some time I'll respond to everything since my post.

Peace,
-Xeries

Well which is better is a matter of personal opinion. Some, like yourself, prefer the original, dull look of the Dragonboxes while others enjoy the oversaturated FUNi version. I just can't stand how the episodes look from the Dragonbox. Its just TOO dull. FUNi made it look more up to date.

Besides that, TOEI are punks. They give FUNimation the worst material to work with. Selfish bastads!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:50 pm

Gohan-kun is right about TOEI looking out for their own selfish interests. Have you seen the quality of ADV's Saint Seiya DVDs? It's pretty pathetic. Not to mention as EX said earlier about the state of the Sailor Moon box sets.

Xeries · Post by **Xeries** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:58 pm

Yes which is better in color is a matter of opinion just as I said, but which is better in terms of quality, is fact. I've said that all before though so... About TOEI, they aren't the best company when it comes to giving America their episodes because they stil want profit, and I wish TOEI weren't like that, but it doesn't change the fact that FUNi COULD have made the episodes look even better. If I can do it at home, then with all their money they can too. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

-Xeries

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:02 am

Xeries wrote:Also, you seem to thing you are some technical wizard and I have no idea what I am talking about which I assure you isn't the case.

While this may be the case, whining about seeing interlacing on your computer monitor sure isn't helping your case. That's a pretty basic thing to know, especially if you're going to go on a rant about progressive vs. interlaced video.

I don't claim to be a whiz at video tech; I still learn new things everyday. At the same time, when I see people saying OBVIOUSLY wrong things and criticizing my forum members over it, I'm not going to just sit back and let it go on. I'd rather correct the information and move on, even if you think I'm being an ass about it. You may think you were coming here trying to do the same thing, but telling my forum's members that they're spewing bullshit is, again, not helping your cause.

It's a matter of choice. Sure, some people got some information wrong earlier in this thread, but I think we've cleared up those technical details. Some people are going to like FUNimation's DVDs for their various reasons (subtitles, price, availability). Some people are going to like Toei's DVDs (picture quality / bitrate, collector's items). If anyone is unable to simply deal with this, I don't particularly welcome you on this board.

Xeries wrote:I am pointing out everything incorrect about them when compared to the Dragon Boxes because people here seemed to think they were better

There's that term... "better." Who's to say what is "better" ? None of us, that's for sure. They each have their individual "better" aspects that the other doesn't have, and nothing short of owning both and remastering your own discs with the qualities of both is going to change this.

I've tried to move away from these stupid, lame, petty arguments in my DragonBall fandom; it's not healthy, and I don't welcome them on my board. I'm partly to blame for interfering and continuing with it, and I'll accept that.

Unless anyone has anything worthy of adding to a conversation, then I'd like to kindly ask that you not post further.

Xeries · Post by **Xeries** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:21 am

I'll stop the argument then if that's what you want, but I just want to point out I'm not an idiot with the intelraced thing. I know it is a basic thing to know and that's why I pointed it out. I know that on a TV it looks fine with DVD players that hide them and/or the scanlines on the TV. Also, there are tons of programs that mask the interlacing on the monitor and you can fix it through things like AVISynth and such, but most members here won't do that and may not know how to mask interlacing with Force Bob in PowerDVD or such things, so if they did try watching it on a monitor they'd see problems. When interlaced during panning scenes, it makes it appear to be a bit jumpy too.

Anyway, I won't reply with my further argument that I had planned. The thing is you talk about criticizing forum members and all that when nothing of that sort has been done (except with tablet and that was a light hearted retaliation). I was just simply trying to show the differences which does seem to be a mute point with most... Anyway, I'm done for now, unless anyone wants anything further.

-Xeries

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:26 am

Xeries wrote:Also, there are tons of programs that mask the interlacing on the monitor and you can fix it through things like AVISynth and such, but most members here won't do that and may not know how to mask interlacing with Force Bob in PowerDVD or such things, so if they did try watching it on a monitor they'd see problems. When interlaced during panning scenes, it makes it appear to be a bit jumpy too.

AVIsynth is not a "program" that is used while watching videos. It's a video editing utility that allows for the frame-serving of MPEG-2 streams into video editing programs (like VirtualDub, Adobe Premiere, etc).

The fact that some software players do not deinterlace while playing is no fault of the members, as you've said, but you also seemed to infer that there is fault lying with FUNimation for even having interlaced video; that's just... well.. not true ^^;;.

BTW, I just happened to notice your signature. I'm not sure what kind of forums you frequent ( I don't know who you are ^^;; ), but I somewhat take offense to it, here on this board. It's just Julian and I running it, and I'd prefer it if such negative comments (even light-hearted) were left outside of here

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Xeries · Post by **Xeries** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:34 am

The signature has nothing to do with you or Julian, it is made because of my stay at GameFAQs.

Anyway, I know AVISynth isn't a program you use while watching video, remember I've redone the FUNi discs and they look much better, but they still don't touch Dragon Box (in terms of my definition of quality, just so i don't offend...). Also, would it really have been that hard for FUNi to make the video progressive?

-Xeries

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:16 am

Xeries wrote:Also, would it really have been that hard for FUNi to make the video progressive?

It's just not how anime discs are done, here in the states. With the exception of some clearly film-master-source footage (such as the Utena movie, which was theatrical and high-budget), most domestic anime is telecined for the home release. It's just how it's done, here *shrugs

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:09 am

Not that I feel I have to report to anyone on it, but sangofe's attitude and grammar has been questionable since day one, and has little to do with this one specific thread; I just happened to put the final warning in this thread.

Ex, it's sad to hear you really think that.
I have constantly been offended by others here, at least that's how I felt.
I'm admitting it right away:
- I'm not spelling or grammar God, and English is my third language.
- I easely get offended and I tend to use a non polite language.
But to put a warning?
There are many others here that should have a "final warning".

Anyways.
If I hurt anyone, or annoyed anyone, I'm sorry.
That was never my intend. Ever.
I'll do what I can to not express negative emotions anymore.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:30 am

1. The DVDs are DVDs, I run DBZ DVDs through my laptop all the time to get screencaps with Power DVD, and I NEVER see these crazy lines of attack

2. You in you first post claimed we were all morons except for Sangofe - how was that not supposed to be taken as an attack? You like the dragonboxes better? Good for you guys, some of us don't, and NO ONE in here has laid a bit of proof for their claims if you want to play the particular feature game.

3. Sangofe - expressing negative emotions isnt a bad thing, I just did it in my writing above, but anger does not need to be expressed through explatives and insults.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:42 am

sangofe: You've accused my members of spouting "bullshit" (yes, I'm quoting that from other threads) on more than one occasion, and your attitude has seemed to be very defensive. If this is due to your lack of skills in the English language, I can understand that, but hopefully we've make it quite apparant that we won't tolerate that, here.

You don't need to "go take lessons" to learn English... that almost seems like you're trying to pull a guilt trip. To paraphrase one of my favorite lines in anime history... just choose your words carefully to make sure they are palatable before spitting them out ^^.

This thread is serving very little purpose, now, and is a perfect example of VegettoEX vs the fans from years ago that I've so desperately tried to distance myself from. It only upsets various factions of fandom, and it hurts my own fandom... I don't enjoy having to defend myself and my beliefs, and extend that to protecting my own forum members, now, at the same time. It's not fair to me, and it's not fair to them.

Just remember that I don't want to see any outright company bashing ever again (not just this thread, but several others as well). We're not an anti-site, and we're not a pro-site. Using facts is perfectly OK to back up your statements, but I don't want to see any more references to any person or organization as "scum," "gay," "FUCKimation," etc. Let's just grow up, ne? It's 2004... not 1997.

As I said, thread is serving little purpose, now. Closing.

Kanzenshuu

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