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What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by Ankhael » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:17 am

How would things be for the series if Bardock defeated frieza?

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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:38 am

That would be completely impossible.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:42 am

It is pretty much impossible. Did Freeza choke on something that Bardock offered and die and after that Zaron and Dodoria didn't want to take on a Saiyan army and fled. Because there really is no way Bardock could save the day. It's why I liked his story. He was doomed from the start but tried anyways.
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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:46 am

I'm sorry. But this can't even be a what if. Even had he got SSJ. He would only be around 500k ROUNDED. The planet was doomed form the start. RIP Saiyans,

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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by Ankhael » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:08 am

TheGmGoken wrote:I'm sorry. But this can't even be a what if. Even had he got SSJ. He would only be around 500k ROUNDED. The planet was doomed form the start. RIP Saiyans,
Just for sake of possibility, how would this effect the series? Be abstract, open minded

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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:34 am

Ankhael wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I'm sorry. But this can't even be a what if. Even had he got SSJ. He would only be around 500k ROUNDED. The planet was doomed form the start. RIP Saiyans,
Just for sake of possibility, how would this effect the series? Be abstract, open minded
As everyone else stated in this topic, This is one of those what if(s) that is just plain up impossible. There is 0 possibility lol .

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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by Ajay » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:39 am

Of course it's impossible, that's why it's a 'What if?'.

I imagine if it had happened, things would have returned to how they ran previously but with Bardock gaining much more respect amongst his race after being treated with such disdain upon his warnings of Freeza's attack.
I believe Goku and friends would have been totally destroyed (assuming he would still be sent to earth) as I imagine more than just one Saiyan would come down to check what was going on.
Having never needed to go to earth and thus never meeting the Z group, Vegeta would grow up to be insufferably arrogant with no regard for any life but his own on a level that would terrify his lessers.

Consequentially, if Goku and the fighters ARE destroyed, that doesn't prevent the Artificial Humans, Cell, and Buu from waking. Perhaps with some slightly different purpose in mind, it wouldn't matter, the earth would be destroyed.
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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by dario03 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:53 am

You could just about come up with any change and some what make sense. Originally didn't Raditz come to Earth to get Goku to help him with a troublesome planet? Well if all the Saiyans were still alive then he wouldn't need to and it could be that nobody ever comes to check up on Goku. Then again maybe they would come after him a lot sooner for whatever reason and wipe out all of Earth while he was still very young. Or just grab him and leave because they decided to give up on the whole exterminating planets and since theres nobody strong on Earth they just leave. Or maybe Bardock keeps getting zenkais, over throws King Vegeta, some how becomes a Super Saiyan but everything else plays out the same but instead of Freeza collecting Dragon balls on Namek its SS Bardock and we have this whole Kakarot I am your father thing when Goku shows up.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:08 pm

No, it's not impossible assuming he went SSJ. Yes, it's still unlikely but it's possible. Assuming Bardock did pull a miracle, the Saiyans would likely conquer Earth eventually and everyone would die.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:10 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:No, it's not impossible assuming he went SSJ. Yes, it's still unlikely but it's possible. Assuming Bardock did pull a miracle, the Saiyans would likely conquer Earth eventually and everyone would die.
SSJ Bardock would be weaker than Freeza's first form :|

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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:24 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:No, it's not impossible assuming he went SSJ. Yes, it's still unlikely but it's possible. Assuming Bardock did pull a miracle, the Saiyans would likely conquer Earth eventually and everyone would die.
SSJ Bardock would be weaker than Freeza's first form :|
If he got a Zenkai instead of jumping the gun, he could have beaten Freeza's first form. Bardock winning isn't out the question, it's just very very unlikely.
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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by Godo » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:30 pm

Bardock somehow blasts Freeza into a star, becomes king of Planet Vegeta and eventually succumbs to the sheer mental stress of seeing the future.
Eventually he will predict when he will poop next, or when he is going to have a heart attack (and there is nothing he can do about it).
Do to their advanced medical care, Bardock's body will be tuned into perfect health, and he goes deeper into a paranoid and anxious state.
Raditz remembers his brother because weaklings stick together, and goes and forcefully collects Goku to take Bardock's place as king (they are doppelgangers after all) in a delicate political scheme to keep power in the family (who would want Raditz as king anyway?).
When this doesn't work, he kills Goku and instead, not before carving scars equalling Bardock's on Goku's face, and recruits Yamcha (close enough!) with promise of riches and glory. Yamcha swiftly gets a haircut and becomes king of planet Vegeta.
Without Yamcha's knowledge, Earth is then conquered and populated with Mergulians. Mergulians are a half-fish people with the upper part of the body being fish.
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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:42 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:No, it's not impossible assuming he went SSJ. Yes, it's still unlikely but it's possible. Assuming Bardock did pull a miracle, the Saiyans would likely conquer Earth eventually and everyone would die.
SSJ Bardock would be weaker than Freeza's first form :|
If he got a Zenkai instead of jumping the gun, he could have beaten Freeza's first form. Bardock winning isn't out the question, it's just very very unlikely.
He would need one more Zenkai to match or surpass Freeza as an SSJ. He would need to be significantly stronger to stop Freeza from transforming also.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:43 pm

I think a second Zenkai would just give Bardock the victory without much question. I don't think Bardock would let him transform.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:45 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think a second Zenkai would just give Bardock the victory without much question. I don't think Bardock would let him transform.
Saiyan Pride. He would want a challenge.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:13 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think a second Zenkai would just give Bardock the victory without much question. I don't think Bardock would let him transform.
How much power does Freeza accumulate over his transformation? I doubt he stays at 530,000 until the transformation is done He probably rapidly accumulates during the process.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:36 am

dbzfan7 wrote:He would need one more Zenkai to match or surpass Freeza as an SSJ. He would need to be significantly stronger to stop Freeza from transforming also.
You mean First Form Freeza? Goku got one near-death power-up and got 33 times stronger.
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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:40 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:He would need one more Zenkai to match or surpass Freeza as an SSJ. He would need to be significantly stronger to stop Freeza from transforming also.
You mean First Form Freeza? Goku got one near-death power-up and got 33 times stronger.
That one seemed far fetch to me. And Zenkai's have no set boost so we don't know how much he could get. After his near death experiences Bardock doesn't even break 10,000
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:42 pm

Well to be honest I think Bardock jumped to around 20,000 upon getting a Zenkai so I think SSJ Bardock could beat Freeza into the ground upon attempting to transform. The question is would he let him transform? I think he would the first time to satisfy his Saiyan pride. After struggling with Second Form Freeza, if he doesn't lose, I don't think he'd even let Freeza attempt transforming again.
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Re: What if bardock saved planet vegeta

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:01 pm

Second form Freeza was over a million initially and did two beefy power ups on top of that. One gave him a huge advantage over Piccolo, who was beating him earlier and himself was already way over a million. If Freeza gets to that form, Bardock's already dead.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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