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Was it just for character design? I remember when I was around 14ish I came up with this theory(Which I honestly think is bullshit now) that Akira wanted to make it seem like Gohan wasn't a normal SSJ. As he was holding back so much power his hair is that of his base form. That SSj2 wasn't planned but it was Gohan's regular SSJ form but with Gohan's full power unleashed. Hence why his appearance changed unlike his SSJ form. As around that time I didn't know about the SSJ multipliers.
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His hair looks fine to me, it's like Goku vs Freeza, his hair didn't change too much either, their hair is already standing up ish.
Sorry. Typing to fast. Goku vs Freeza. Goku hair stood up. He hair did change. Gohan's hair is similar to Goku's at this point. Don't see why it would't stand up just a little.
MuffinButton wrote:It's just a TV show for children. You're honestly having this question? It's called character stylization. To make him look a part from Goku.
There's no in-universe logic to it.
But he looks more like Goku with his hand standing down than up.
Gohan's actually did Semi-stand up in the ROSAT in the anime, it could also be how it's cut. That's not Gohan's natural hair style after all.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Gohan's actually did Semi-stand up in the ROSAT in the anime, it could also be how it's cut. That's not Gohan's natural hair style after all.
Isn't this just the top of his hair before it got cut? So the SSJ was reacting as if he had all of his hair?
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Gohan's actually did Semi-stand up in the ROSAT in the anime, it could also be how it's cut. That's not Gohan's natural hair style after all.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Gohan's actually did Semi-stand up in the ROSAT in the anime, it could also be how it's cut. That's not Gohan's natural hair style after all.
Reminds me of Future Gohan. Wait Goku gave Gohan two haircuts?
First Haircut: Remove the long hair
Second one: The one in Cell games
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Gohan's actually did Semi-stand up in the ROSAT in the anime, it could also be how it's cut. That's not Gohan's natural hair style after all.
Reminds me of Future Gohan. Wait Goku gave Gohan two haircuts?
First Haircut: Remove the long hair
Second one: The one in Cell games
I hate the front tip SSJ Future Gohan look. The game design SSJ Future Gohan's look so much better.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
MuffinButton wrote:It's just a TV show for children. You're honestly having this question? It's called character stylization. To make him look a part from Goku.
There's no in-universe logic to it.
'It's just a TV show for children' is not a valid argument. We're on a forum dedicated to the show and with that comes picking apart every detail of it. You could use that as a response to everything on this site. We're big fans and as such as we're likely to ask questions many won't. OP never implied there was in-universe logic to it, he even asked whether it was just a stylistic choice.
He asked the question because he was curious as to whether there was any more too it. You don't need to reply with 'You're honestly having this question?' followed up with a barrel of condescension.
Anyway, with regards to the OP's question. I think you're right, it's just a stylistic choice to either prevent himself from creating a mini-Goku 2.0, as well as not wanting to draw something too similar to the SSJ2 design as that would have lessened the impact of the change.
It does stand up more than his original hair but it's not a huge change. The biggest chance comes from the definition in his hair really.
Before the name "SSJ2" was invented, the "SSJ2" form was just meant to be Gohan's true SSJ form, with all his power unleashed. The form shown in the first post is just a repressed form caused by Gohan's lack of fighting spirit and pacific nature.
I always thought it was just because he's half Saiyan so like Trunks' hair it didn't stand totally straight. I don't buy the haircut theory because he had the same haircut and still had his hair stand up for SS2.
The real B.S. is his hair when he grows up. Now that doesn't make any sense.
Marco Polo wrote:Before the name "SSJ2" was invented, the "SSJ2" form was just meant to be Gohan's true SSJ form, with all his power unleashed. The form shown in the first post is just a repressed form caused by Gohan's lack of fighting spirit and pacific nature.
Marco Polo wrote:Before the name "SSJ2" was invented, the "SSJ2" form was just meant to be Gohan's true SSJ form, with all his power unleashed. The form shown in the first post is just a repressed form caused by Gohan's lack of fighting spirit and pacific nature.
That's how I see it anyway.
That's how I saw at it as well. I thought Gohan didn't stand up because he was holding back that much power
I always thought it was just because he's half Saiyan so like Trunks' hair it didn't stand totally straight. I don't buy the haircut theory because he had the same haircut and still had his hair stand up for SS2.
Trunks hair did Stand up. During the Cell portion his hair was wrapped till he went USSJ which made it stand up again.
I think its just the style his hair is in that doesn't make it stand up as prominent. If Gohan were to have a similar haircut as he did on Namek then his hair would probably look like SSJ Trunks.
Marco Polo wrote:Before the name "SSJ2" was invented, the "SSJ2" form was just meant to be Gohan's true SSJ form, with all his power unleashed. The form shown in the first post is just a repressed form caused by Gohan's lack of fighting spirit and pacific nature.
That's how I see it anyway.
I don't think that's the case.
For an out of universe answer: Toriyama most likely had his "next stage" in mind when designing Super Saiyan Gohan during and after the ROSAT. If he made his Super Saiyan hair stick up all the way like Gokuu's, then his Super Saiyan 2 hair wouldn't look as unique.
An in universe answer...I 'unno. It just looks that way I guess. Maybe it's just some genetic difference.
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