SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku By How Much?

[Undertaker]

Gotenks > Goku by how much? I have SSJ3 Gotenks 20X stronger than SSJ3 Goku

[hleV]

Pre-ROSAT, 3-10x stronger. Post-ROSAT? No idea, but not much higher than that. Perhaps 4-12x stronger.

[rereboy]

Perhaps 3 or 4 times stronger after ROSAT (with SSJ3). That's a huge difference already with these values, no need for him to be 10 times stronger or something like that.

[Undertaker]

Pre-ROSAT, 3-10x stronger. Post-ROSAT? No idea, but not much higher than that. Perhaps 4-12x stronger.

What? How can his Pre Rosat be so strong? SSJ Gotenks (Pre) is just as strong or somewhat ahead of SSJ3 Goku. Gotenks (Post) is a different story

I have SSJ Gotenks (Post) one shotting SJ3 Goku while SSJ3 Gotenks would finger flick him just like Bills did

[Undertaker]

Perhaps 3 times stronger after ROSAT (with SSJ3). That's a huge difference already with these values, no need for him to be 10 times stronger or something like that.

Too low dude, SSJ Gotenks (Pre) was already at least equal to SSJ3 Goku and his SSJ after the Rosat is way stronger, then he goes to SSJ3 which multiplies his power several times so Gotenks is at least 10X stronger

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I have SS Gotenks (pre) around SS3 Goku's level (because, Goku & Piccolo believed he would be strong enough to beat Innocent Boo) and base Gotenks (post) slightly stronger than SS2 Vegeta & Goku (because of the Daizenshuu statement, and because Piccolo felt a huge power-up). So, SS3 Gotenks is around 100 times stronger than SS3 Goku IMO.

[rereboy]

Perhaps 3 times stronger after ROSAT (with SSJ3). That's a huge difference already with these values, no need for him to be 10 times stronger or something like that.

Too low dude, SSJ Gotenks (Pre) was already at least equal to SSJ3 Goku and his SSJ after the Rosat is way stronger, then he goes to SSJ3 which multiplies his power several times so Gotenks is at least 10X stronger

Opinions. I see nothing to suggest that SSJ Gotenks pre-rosat or post-rosat must be stronger than SSJ3 Goku, especially since Goku himself admitted later on that he could have defeated Fat Buu with his SSJ3.

Perhaps SSJ2 Gotenks would already be stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but not by a whole lot.

Also, don't forget that even something as twice the power of the opponent is already a huge gap, more than enough to trivialize the opponent.

[Undertaker]

Perhaps 3 times stronger after ROSAT (with SSJ3). That's a huge difference already with these values, no need for him to be 10 times stronger or something like that.

Too low dude, SSJ Gotenks (Pre) was already at least equal to SSJ3 Goku and his SSJ after the Rosat is way stronger, then he goes to SSJ3 which multiplies his power several times so Gotenks is at least 10X stronger

Opinions. I see nothing to suggest that SSJ Gotenks pre-rosat or post-rosat must be stronger than SSJ3 Goku, especially since Goku himself admitted later on that he could have defeated Fat Buu with his SSJ3.

Perhaps SSJ2 Gotenks (post-rosat) would already be stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but not by a lot.

Goku said SSJ Gotenks would be stronger than him and stronger than Fat Boo and it's never contradicted. Piccolo implies SSJ Gotenks has enough power but just wants to see his speed while he was only worried once Evil Boo was born

SSJ Gotenks was also felt from the Kaioshin Planet where only SSJ3 tier and above were felt

[rereboy]

Goku is confident that a fusion between the boys has a pretty good chance of defeating Fat Buu. Period.

Piccolo is impressed but he never implies that Gotenks has more power than Buu and he is never confident that Gotenks can take on Buu (either Fat Buu or Super Buu).

Don't remember if his SSJ power was felt on the Kaioshin realm. I would have to check.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Piccolo is impressed but he never implies that Gotenks has more power than Buu and he is never confident that Gotenks can take on Buu (either Fat Buu or Super Buu).

Piccolo believed that Gotenks didn't have a chance after Boo transformed into Evil Boo, so since he never said that Gotenks wasn't ready for Innocent Boo, I guess he also believed that SS Gotenks had a chance to beat him.

[rereboy]

Piccolo is impressed but he never implies that Gotenks has more power than Buu and he is never confident that Gotenks can take on Buu (either Fat Buu or Super Buu).

Piccolo believed that Gotenks didn't have a chance after Boo transformed into Evil Boo, so since he never said that Gotenks wasn't ready for Innocent Boo, I guess he also believed that SS Gotenks had a chance to beat him.

If Fat Buu had been the one to come up to the lookout, Piccolo would probably react the same: stall for time and make the kids train a little more in the ROSAT.

[Undertaker]

Goku is confident that a fusion between the boys has a pretty good chance of defeating Fat Buu. Period.

Piccolo is impressed but he never implies that Gotenks has more power than Buu and he is never confident that Gotenks can take on Buu (either Fat Buu or Super Buu).

Don't remember if his SSJ power was felt on the Kaioshin realm. I would have to check.

Goku said it several times and it's never contradicted

When Piccolo sees SSJ Gotenks, he says his ki is incredible but asks for his speed. Why only speed and not power? Later, Piccolo complains just about Gotenks having a minute for the fusion and he has no problems allow him to fight Fat Boo the next day, Goku even said the Rosat would not be needed

[Undertaker]

Piccolo is impressed but he never implies that Gotenks has more power than Buu and he is never confident that Gotenks can take on Buu (either Fat Buu or Super Buu).

Piccolo believed that Gotenks didn't have a chance after Boo transformed into Evil Boo, so since he never said that Gotenks wasn't ready for Innocent Boo, I guess he also believed that SS Gotenks had a chance to beat him.

If Fat Buu had been the one to come up to the lookout, Piccolo would probably react the same: stall for time and make the kids train a little more in the ROSAT.

He was afraid before Boo even arrived to the Look Out, you are just denying the truth now

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't think so. Remember when SS Gotenks was born, and fucked around, and eventually went to fight Boo? Piccolo's only problem was that the 30 minutes had almost passed, he never said that he also wasn't strong enough. Not to mention that if Piccolo believed that they still weren't strong enough, he would have them enter inside RoSaT from the beginning, or at least do intense training, instead of letting them sleep.

[Kaboom]

With the manga implying Gotenks is stronger by quite a bit, but the anime, movies, and most other extra-manga material implying that Goku is stronger or at least not too different... I've personally settled on a compromise where Gotenks is overall about twice as strong as Goku. It everything, not just the manga, mesh together a little better.

[Undertaker]

With the manga implying Gotenks is stronger by quite a bit, but the anime, movies, and most other extra-manga material implying that Goku is stronger or at least not too different... I've personally settled on a compromise where Gotenks is overall about twice as strong as Goku. It everything, not just the manga, mesh together a little better.

How?

[TheMightyOzaru]

About 4-7 times stronger.

[rereboy]

He was afraid before Boo even arrived to the Look Out, you are just denying the truth now

He was afraid because Buu had just become more powerful. What does that have to do with SSJ Gotenks being stronger than SSJ Goku or Piccolo being confident that Gotenks could beat Fat Buu?

I don't think so. Remember when SS Gotenks was born, and fucked around, and eventually went to fight Boo? Piccolo's only problem was that the 30 minutes had almost passed

No, Piccolo was against him even leaving the lookout.

Not to mention that if Piccolo believed that they still weren't strong enough, he would have them enter inside RoSaT from the beginning, or at least do intense training, instead of letting them sleep.

How do you know that Piccolo wasn't planning to send them there some time before the deadline? Remember that Buu went looking for them ahead of time and until then they pretty much had only focused on mastering the fusion technique. As far as we know, perhaps Piccolo had always planned to send them there to develop their power after they mastered the fusion technique, but Buu coming to the lookout made him rush his plans and stall for time.

Like I said, opinions. I see no reason for Gotenks to be that much stronger than Goku. A few times stronger is more than enough. If SSJ Gotenks power was felt over in the Kaioshin realm, then I might revise my opinion since that's compelling indication that he is stronger than I was counting. Otherwise, I see no need to have him that strong.

[Kaboom]

How?

What do you mean?

[Undertaker]

He was afraid before Boo even arrived to the Look Out, you are just denying the truth now

He was afraid because Buu had just become more powerful. What does that have to do with SSJ Gotenks being stronger than SSJ Goku or Piccolo being confident that Gotenks could beat Fat Buu?

I don't think so. Remember when SS Gotenks was born, and fucked around, and eventually went to fight Boo? Piccolo's only problem was that the 30 minutes had almost passed

No, Piccolo was against him even leaving the lookout.

Not to mention that if Piccolo believed that they still weren't strong enough, he would have them enter inside RoSaT from the beginning, or at least do intense training, instead of letting them sleep.

How do you know that Piccolo wasn't planning to send them there some time before the deadline? Remember that Buu went looking for them ahead of time and until then they pretty much had only focused on mastering the fusion technique. As far as we know, perhaps Piccolo had always planned to send them there to develop their power after they mastered the fusion technique, but Buu coming to the lookout made him rush his plans and stall for time.

Like I said, opinions. I see no reason for Gotenks to be that much stronger than Goku. A few times stronger is more than enough. If SSJ Gotenks power was felt over in the Kaioshin realm, then I might revise my opinion since that's compelling indication that he is stronger than I was counting. Otherwise, I see no need to have him that strong.

So SSJ Goku > SSJ Gotenks? He was only afraid when Evil Boo appeared but was not of Fat Boo

Kaboom: How can Gotenks be just 2X Goku when his SSJ Pre Rosat was at least eqaul to him?