SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku By How Much?

[VegettoEX]

Undertaker, you're continuing your endless cycle of making threads seemingly just to disagree with people, you make incomprehensible statements like "Why reactiong for Gotenks if They watched him over the crystal", and you get snippy and rude if anyone does happen to counter you.

There are no more chances. Your account will be fully terminated for good if this does not stop. Immediately.

[Undertaker]

SSJ3 Goku is not leagues ahead of Fat Boo and Goku was sure the kids would beat Boo and nothing contradicts it as he tells Piccolo to not use the Rosat

And nothing confirmed it either, like I said. A prediction is only a prediction until it's proven true. My approach works fine and doesn't directly contradict anything.

The Daiz says Base Gotenks > SSJ2 Vegeta

He says no such thing. He died a long time before Gotenks or any Super Saiyan 2s were ever around. If you meant the "Daizenshuu," then I'm sure that if one of the books did say such a thing, I would know about it.

As I said before, if Gotenks is stronger, it's not by much.

He is leagues ahead of Goku

I don't get it... why do you create threads like this, asking about other people's opinions, if all you're going to do is keep telling people they're wrong?

He's pakl123456 from YouTube. He will deny this due to how many enemies he has on all the forums.[/quote]

I don't have to deny who I am. Yes I am am pakl123456 and I am proud. Any problem with that?

[Undertaker]

He's pakl123456 from YouTube. He will deny this due to how many enemies he has on all the forums.

I don't have to deny who I am. Yes I am am pakl123456 and I am proud. Any problem with that?

VegettoEX: I am not rude at all but just states what's stated

Kamiccolo: There is no need to feel it if they were about to watch them

[Draken]

They were watching the fight with Goku telepathically as well, but as soon as he transformed into a SSJ3 he completely blew everyone away. Why didn't that happen with SSJ3 Gotenks? Why didn't that happen with Ultimate Gohan? Why didn't that happen with anyone but SSJ3 Goku?

And nothing confirmed it either, like I said. A prediction is only a prediction until it's proven true. My approach works fine and doesn't directly contradict anything.

That's so typically hypocritical. You say that it's not confirmed, so it's only a prediction and doesn't count, but your "approach works fine" is doing the exact same thing. You said nothing contradicted it, so it's fine. But it's only a prediction and was never proved true. Hypocrite much?

VegettoEX: I am not rude at all but just states what's stated

99% of the forum would like the disagree.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm all for different views on the subject, but SS Gotenks (pre) being weaker than MAJIN VEGETA is just way too dumb to be a viable option. Did EVERYONE, including Piccolo, get a lobotomy and then forget how to sense ki?

[Undertaker]

They were watching the fight with Goku telepathically as well, but as soon as he transformed into a SSJ3 he completely blew everyone away. Why didn't that happen with SSJ3 Gotenks? Why didn't that happen with Ultimate Gohan? Why didn't that happen with anyone but SSJ3 Goku?

And nothing confirmed it either, like I said. A prediction is only a prediction until it's proven true. My approach works fine and doesn't directly contradict anything.

That's so typically hypocritical. You say that it's not confirmed, so it's only a prediction and doesn't count, but your "approach works fine" is doing the exact same thing. You said nothing contradicted it, so it's fine. But it's only a prediction and was never proved true. Hypocrite much?

VegettoEX: I am not rude at all but just states what's stated

99% of the forum would like the disagree.

Gohan was to build up drama

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Look what Kaioshin says

They were watching Gotenks through the crystal so feeling him would be out of context. They never felt Pure Boo but watched him through the crystal

I am not rude

[hleV]

Don't link to that kind of sites.

[Kamiccolo9]

Gohan was to build up drama

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c497/3

Look what Kaioshin says

They were watching Gotenks through the crystal so feeling him would be out of context. They never felt Pure Boo but watched him through the crystal

I am not rude

That's not an in-universe answer. Buu sensed Gohan; why didn't anyone else?
They wouldn't have to try to feel him. They weren't trying to sense Goku either, but they did.
Why weren't Gohan, Piccolo, and the others shocked when Goku and Pure Buu were fighting? Why didn't the Kaioshins sense them then?

[Draken]

Your excuse works both ways. They only sensed SSJ3 Goku to build up drama, then they stopped for the rest.

And you kinda completely skipped my point about you contradicting yourself with the "nothing contradicted it so it counts"

[Bando]

Gotenks power should have knocked everyone over just like Goku's did as soon as he emerged from the ROSAT.

"Dramatic entrance" is not a valid in-universe reason.

It might be harder to be sensed from the Kaioshin's Realm than the other way around. The universe is brimming with activity after-all while the Kaioshin Realm is fairly "quiet".

Piccolo and co. were also stressed out about Super Boo. He's a wild card that could destroy them all at any moment.

[Kamiccolo9]

Gotenks power should have knocked everyone over just like Goku's did as soon as he emerged from the ROSAT.

"Dramatic entrance" is not a valid in-universe reason.

It might be harder to be sensed from the Kaioshin's Realm than the other way around. The universe is brimming with activity after-all while the Kaioshin Realm is fairly "quiet".

Piccolo and co. were also stressed out about Super Boo. He's a wild card that could destroy them all at any moment.

They still weren't blown away by Gotenks. Not the first time he fused, nor his first SSJ transformation, nor when he emerged as SSJ3 from the ROSAT.

[dbzfan7]

Gotenks power should have knocked everyone over just like Goku's did as soon as he emerged from the ROSAT.

"Dramatic entrance" is not a valid in-universe reason.

It might be harder to be sensed from the Kaioshin's Realm than the other way around. The universe is brimming with activity after-all while the Kaioshin Realm is fairly "quiet".

Piccolo and co. were also stressed out about Super Boo. He's a wild card that could destroy them all at any moment.

They still weren't blown away by Gotenks. Not the first time he fused, nor his first SSJ transformation, nor when he emerged as SSJ3 from the ROSAT.

Goku and Piccolo seemed blown away at SSJ3 Gotenks. Though that could be him just achieving it. But his first SSJ appearance wasn't considered as big a deal as SSJ3 Goku I agree.

To answer the thread topic I have Gotenks 8 times stronger from a minimalist perspective. But that's just my opinion.

[Kaboom]

And nothing confirmed it either, like I said. A prediction is only a prediction until it's proven true. My approach works fine and doesn't directly contradict anything.

That's so typically hypocritical. You say that it's not confirmed, so it's only a prediction and doesn't count, but your "approach works fine" is doing the exact same thing. You said nothing contradicted it, so it's fine. But it's only a prediction and was never proved true. Hypocrite much?

That text was originally mine; Undertaker's quotes just got all messed up.

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku and Piccolo seemed blown away at SSJ3 Gotenks. Though that could be him just achieving it. But his first SSJ appearance wasn't considered as big a deal as SSJ3 Goku I agree.

What I meant was that SSJ3 Gotenks emerging didn't have the same effect as Goku going SSJ3. People felt Goku, without even trying, and were blown away. There was no such reaction for Gotenks, who we know is stronger, which indicates that the whole "sensing power from the Kaioshin Realm" thing is inconsistent.

[Bando]

They still weren't blown away by Gotenks. Not the first time he fused, nor his first SSJ transformation, nor when he emerged as SSJ3 from the ROSAT.

Well we never saw them react to Gotenks's power. It sort of became commonplace for them to sense ki in the Kaioshin Realm. It'd be quite redundant if we already suspected Gotenks was on-par/stronger than Goku.

It's like expecting Toriyama to have anyone stronger than Vegeta or Freeza destroy a planet to prove their worth.

Goku getting sensed is over-exaggerated as well. It's hyped up so much because he was the first to be sensed, same as how Super Saiyan was hyped.

[dbzfan7]

Goku and Piccolo seemed blown away at SSJ3 Gotenks. Though that could be him just achieving it. But his first SSJ appearance wasn't considered as big a deal as SSJ3 Goku I agree.

What I meant was that SSJ3 Gotenks emerging didn't have the same effect as Goku going SSJ3. People felt Goku, without even trying, and were blown away. There was no such reaction for Gotenks, who we know is stronger, which indicates that the whole "sensing power from the Kaioshin Realm" thing is inconsistent.

Maybe because repeating the same scenario over and over again would be annoying. Imagine doing that for everyone every time. It would get old pretty quick.

Then again when you think about it they really do that all the time anyways

[Kamiccolo9]

They still weren't blown away by Gotenks. Not the first time he fused, nor his first SSJ transformation, nor when he emerged as SSJ3 from the ROSAT.

Well we never saw them react to Gotenks's power. It sort of became commonplace for them to sense ki in the Kaioshin Realm. It'd be quite redundant if we already suspected Gotenks was on-par/stronger than Goku.

It's like expecting Toriyama to have anyone stronger than Vegeta or Freeza destroy a planet to prove their worth.

Gohan didn't have a clue what was going on. It's clear that he didn't sense anything. And we know that Super Saiyan has a distinctive "feel" to it, and Kaioshin didn't know that Gotenks was a Super Saiyan. He thought that Gotenks knew look was because of fusion.

[Bando]

Gohan didn't have a clue what was going on. It's clear that he didn't sense anything. And we know that Super Saiyan has a distinctive "feel" to it, and Kaioshin didn't know that Gotenks was a Super Saiyan. He thought that Gotenks knew look was because of fusion.

Could you redirect me to the chapter? I don't remember the Gohan bit.

Kaioshin didn't know what Super Saiyan 3 looked like though. Am I missing something here?

[Kamiccolo9]

Gohan didn't have a clue what was going on. It's clear that he didn't sense anything. And we know that Super Saiyan has a distinctive "feel" to it, and Kaioshin didn't know that Gotenks was a Super Saiyan. He thought that Gotenks knew look was because of fusion.

Could you redirect me to the chapter? I don't remember the Gohan bit.

Kaioshin didn't know what Super Saiyan 3 looked like though. Am I missing something here?

It's in Volume 41. I'm not sure which chapter. It's when Goku and Kaioshin are watching the Gotenks/Buu fight, and Gohan is sitting over with Old Kaioshin wondering what's going on.

Super Saiyan ki has a distinctive feel to it, as we see back when Trunks shows up, and Gohan says it feels like his dad. If Kaioshin had felt Gotenks ki, then he would have known that Gotenks was a Super Saiyan, yet he attributed his power and appearance to fusion.

[Bando]

It's in Volume 41. I'm not sure which chapter. It's when Goku and Kaioshin are watching the Gotenks/Buu fight, and Gohan is sitting over with Old Kaioshin wondering what's going on.

Super Saiyan ki has a distinctive feel to it, as we see back when Trunks shows up, and Gohan says it feels like his dad. If Kaioshin had felt Gotenks ki, then he would have known that Gotenks was a Super Saiyan, yet he attributed his power and appearance to fusion.

I checked quickly but nothing implied Gohan couldn't sense their kis. He wasn't shown until after Gotenks was absorbed.

Like I said Kaioshin wasn't aware of what a Super Saiyan 3 looked like. To him it might have been a Super Saiyan Fusion until Goku corrected him. He didn't imply they weren't Super Saiyan, only that their power mostly came from Fusion, or that this is how Fusion looked like.