Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon" Set

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Re: Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon"

Post by ShadowDude112 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:08 am

ABED wrote:The encode might be better now (how do we know unless we've seen it) but not so much that it's worth the extra money..
The encodes would be better solely because of how much better compression technology has become. FUNi's DVDs all look good now. The 3 movies will look good because they're using compression technology from 2013 and not 1999. They are going to look better than the Pioneer DVDs and some people wanted this set so they could have the 3 movies uncut in better quality than their DVDs from 1999. It's called technological progression.
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Re: Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon"

Post by kei17 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:27 am

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ABED wrote:The encode might be better now (how do we know unless we've seen it) but not so much that it's worth the extra money..
The encodes would be better solely because of how much better compression technology has become. FUNi's DVDs all look good now. The 3 movies will look good because they're using compression technology from 2013 and not 1999. They are going to look better than the Pioneer DVDs and some people wanted this set so they could have the 3 movies uncut in better quality than their DVDs from 1999. It's called technological progression.
You're just repeating what ABED said, and he argues that that's still not worth the extra dollars. Why do you bother to pay for dozens of edited TV episodes if you put the highest value on uncut movies that are already sold very cheaply? Also, if you want to watch the uncut ocean dub movies with better footage, you should rather try syncing up the uncut audio ripped from your old singles with the Dbox/Double Features footage considering that the digibeta masters they would've used don't look better than these just with improved encodes.

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Post by Super Sonic » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:05 pm

So with these eps, did anyone else miss that "PING" sound effect that used to happen whenever anyone detected a high chi/power level?

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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:38 pm

kei17 wrote:try syncing up the uncut audio ripped from your old singles with the Dbox/Double Features footage considering that the digibeta masters they would've used don't look better than these just with improved encodes.
Yeah, that's something I've considered attempting at some point. :)

Also, as for the Ocean cast episodes image quality debate, I don't think less macroblocking and slightly sharper footage is worth the $80 most sites are asking for. Maybe only if you don't own the singles yet would RIghtstuf's $60 asking price be worth it. For someone like me who owns the singles, I can't see any reason to pick the new release up, since I'd be losing money trying to sell the old DVDs and then buying the new set, for a marginal improvement in picture quality.
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Post by superrayman3 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:22 pm

kei17 wrote:you should rather try syncing up the uncut audio ripped from your old singles with the Dbox/Double Features footage considering that the digibeta masters they would've used don't look better than these just with improved encodes.
While that would be possible for the most part, the resynced footage would still technically be incomplete because some of the edits that are present on the original 1996 Broadcast version of DBZ aren't present on the DBOX's/Double Features and would have to be manually edited back into the footage (which wouldn't be easy for most people), for example when we see Roshi's drink during the first episode (or is it the 2nd) it's blue in the 1996 broadcast version, while it's orange in the DBOX version, another example is when Raditz is holding Gohan, in the DBOX footage you can see Gohan's tears, while in the 1996 version the tears were edited away.
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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:28 pm

superrayman3 wrote:
kei17 wrote:you should rather try syncing up the uncut audio ripped from your old singles with the Dbox/Double Features footage considering that the digibeta masters they would've used don't look better than these just with improved encodes.
While that would be possible for the most part, the resynced footage would still technically be incomplete because some of the edits that are present on the original 1996 Broadcast version of DBZ aren't present on the DBOX's/Double Features and would have to be manually edited back into the footage (which wouldn't be easy for most people), for example when we see Roshi's drink during the first episode (or is it the 2nd) it's blue in the 1996 broadcast version, while it's orange in the DBOX version, another example is when Raditz is holding Gohan, in the DBOX footage you can see Gohan's tears, while in the 1996 version the tears were edited away.
He specifically stated he was referring to the movies.
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Post by superrayman3 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:30 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
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kei17 wrote:you should rather try syncing up the uncut audio ripped from your old singles with the Dbox/Double Features footage considering that the digibeta masters they would've used don't look better than these just with improved encodes.
While that would be possible for the most part, the resynced footage would still technically be incomplete because some of the edits that are present on the original 1996 Broadcast version of DBZ aren't present on the DBOX's/Double Features and would have to be manually edited back into the footage (which wouldn't be easy for most people), for example when we see Roshi's drink during the first episode (or is it the 2nd) it's blue in the 1996 broadcast version, while it's orange in the DBOX version, another example is when Raditz is holding Gohan, in the DBOX footage you can see Gohan's tears, while in the 1996 version the tears were edited away.
He specifically stated he was referring to the movies.
Oh well don't I feel silly. :oops:
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Post by Kendamu » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:32 pm

ABED wrote:What I meant was assuming those three movies were uncut, it's significantly cheaper to buy the singles. The encode might be better now (how do we know unless we've seen it) but not so much that it's worth the extra money.
It's all relative. While I admit that it's overpriced to go that route, it would've been worth it to me. Those movies are still the only thing that exists of my Dragon Ball Z as I see it in my head. Yes, there is the Japanese original and that's absolutely wonderful that we have access to that material. The Japanese original is my go-to source for just about everything nowadays. Yes, FUNimation has created a very good dub with Kai that I can watch in English with little problem. Even the manga, with all of it's translation problems, is still something that I love so much that I call myself a "manga fanboy" or "manga purist" in relation to the story of Son Goku and his friends.

However, those three movies were everything I loved about Dragon Ball Z back in the pre-"Season 3" days from a cast that I absolutely love with the music that truly belongs in Dragon Ball Z. When I get nostalgic for Dragon Ball Z, it's this Dragon Ball Z that I think about. When I read Dragon Ball manga, it's these voices that I hear in my head. Whenever I would introduce my friends to Dragon Ball Z in English, it was this version.

Until that new Canadian dub gets released (assuming that it's good), this is all I have left of my Dragon Ball Z that I fell in love with so many years ago. I'm pretty passionate about it and a new official release of this material with better encoding is worth a lot to me, even if I do admit that it's overpriced by any normal standards.

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Post by Cipher » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:29 am

penguintruth wrote:Funimation: Getting you to pay more for less for DB since 1994!
Yeah, man. Remember the time they switched from affordable, 40-episode sets to three-episode discs for $20-$30 each? That was a real burn, but we carried on, buying as always.

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Post by G1Ravage » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:17 pm

My local anime store already has this. I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow.

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Post by Fri1991 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:37 pm

G1Ravage wrote:My local anime store already has this. I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow.
Cool! Can you post pictures and the details of the boxset and discs when you get it?
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Post by NeoKING » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:54 pm

Super Sonic wrote:So with these eps, did anyone else miss that "PING" sound effect that used to happen whenever anyone detected a high chi/power level?
That, and every other sound effect Ocean/Blue Water used.

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Post by superrayman3 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:45 pm

Just got an email from Anime Corner Store informing me that my "Rock The Dragon" set has been shipped, if what G1Ravage says is true, then it would seem to me that FUNi's pushing the set's release a few weeks ahead of schedule.
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Post by Fri1991 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:35 pm

Well, I just hope RightStuf will ship my order of the boxset soon. I can't wait to relive my childhood with the 1996 dub. :D
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Post by superrayman3 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:33 am

Fri1991 wrote:Well, I just hope RightStuf will ship my order of the boxset soon. I can't wait to relive my childhood with the 1996 dub. :D
I wouldn't worry too much Rightstuf is known for shipping peoples pre-orders early, and if Anime Corner Store's already shipped my set then, it's pretty safe to assume that Rightstuf won't be too far behind following suit.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:26 pm

Everybody who does get this set, please be on the lookout for re-recorded lines. I'm curious to see if a certain voice actor's comment about "re-recording some lines" was in reference to this set.
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Post by superrayman3 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:50 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:Everybody who does get this set, please be on the lookout for re-recorded lines. I'm curious to see if a certain voice actor's comment about "re-recording some lines" was in reference to this set.
I don't think there'll be any re-recorded lines in this set, if there is any re-recorded lines in this set (and I'm not talking about the redubbed lines that removed the mention of death in the first 3-4 episodes either) FUNi would be wide open to a false advertising lawsuit since they've officially confirmed that everything in this set is from the original U. S. 1996-1998 television broadcast of DBZ.
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Post by nathantheguitarist » Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:06 pm

Kendamu wrote:
ABED wrote:What I meant was assuming those three movies were uncut, it's significantly cheaper to buy the singles. The encode might be better now (how do we know unless we've seen it) but not so much that it's worth the extra money.
It's all relative. While I admit that it's overpriced to go that route, it would've been worth it to me. Those movies are still the only thing that exists of my Dragon Ball Z as I see it in my head. Yes, there is the Japanese original and that's absolutely wonderful that we have access to that material. The Japanese original is my go-to source for just about everything nowadays. Yes, FUNimation has created a very good dub with Kai that I can watch in English with little problem. Even the manga, with all of it's translation problems, is still something that I love so much that I call myself a "manga fanboy" or "manga purist" in relation to the story of Son Goku and his friends.

However, those three movies were everything I loved about Dragon Ball Z back in the pre-"Season 3" days from a cast that I absolutely love with the music that truly belongs in Dragon Ball Z. When I get nostalgic for Dragon Ball Z, it's this Dragon Ball Z that I think about. When I read Dragon Ball manga, it's these voices that I hear in my head. Whenever I would introduce my friends to Dragon Ball Z in English, it was this version.

Until that new Canadian dub gets released (assuming that it's good), this is all I have left of my Dragon Ball Z that I fell in love with so many years ago. I'm pretty passionate about it and a new official release of this material with better encoding is worth a lot to me, even if I do admit that it's overpriced by any normal standards.
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Post by ABED » Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:35 pm

It's moderately better.
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Post by LeprikanGT » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:52 am

When is the official release for this? I think I ordered mine from the official store, and didn't really look at the release or shipping dates for it.

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