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Cell's cells

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:52 pm

Which fighters does he have the cells of? Is it ever explicitly stated who's cells compose his being?
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by DBZ Mick » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:05 pm

I think he states Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza and King Cold.

The anime also seemingly adds more like Tenshinhan's etc.
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by rereboy » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:09 pm

DBZ Mick wrote:I think he states Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza and King Cold.
This is correct. It is stated in the manga.
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by Gonstead » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:44 pm

Even more in the original English dub which adds Gohan and Nappa.

But yeah, Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza and King Cold are all that are stated.
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:24 am

Goku (Saiyan arc), Vegeta (Saiyan arc), Piccolo (Saiyan arc), Mecha Freeza, King Cold, and various other lifeforms. Also, add Kuririn & Tenshinhan for the anime.
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Re: Cell's cells

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Goku (Saiyan arc), Vegeta (Saiyan arc), Piccolo (Saiyan arc), Mecha Freeza, King Cold, and various other lifeforms. Also, add Kuririn & Tenshinhan for the anime.
For Krillin and Tien, is he said to have taken their cells, or is it just implied through his use of their attacks? Because anime Piccolo is capable of using the mulit-form technique as well, and that's the only Tien technique I can think of that he used.
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by rereboy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:35 pm

Implied, I think.
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:48 pm

He has the cells of Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Freeza, and Cold.
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Re: Cell's cells

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:He has the cells of Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Freeza, and Cold.
Where is that said?
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:01 pm

It's what's implied to me. The major ones we know he has are Piccolo, Goku, Vegeta, Cold, and Freeza.
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Re: Cell's cells

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:It's what's implied to me. The major ones we know he has are Piccolo, Goku, Vegeta, Cold, and Freeza.
How is it implied? Those five are specifically mentioned; why not mention Gohan and the others?
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Re: Cell's cells

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:It's what's implied to me. The major ones we know he has are Piccolo, Goku, Vegeta, Cold, and Freeza.
How is it implied? Those five are specifically mentioned; why not mention Gohan and the others?
He says he's comprised from the cells of the worlds strongest warriors. I take the humans and Gohan into account when he says that. I know he states in the anime he has Gohan's cells.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFzKMJSESk
Yeah, it's the dub, but I don't think it's too, if at all, off here.
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Re: Cell's cells

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Goku (Saiyan arc), Vegeta (Saiyan arc), Piccolo (Saiyan arc), Mecha Freeza, King Cold, and various other lifeforms. Also, add Kuririn & Tenshinhan for the anime.
For Krillin and Tenshinhan, is he said to have taken their cells, or is it just implied through his use of their attacks? Because anime Piccolo is capable of using the mulit-form technique as well, and that's the only Tenshinhan technique I can think of that he used.
He uses Kuririn's Kienzan (the big yellow ones), and Tenshinhan's Kikoho (Cell Jr. uses it as well).
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:It's what's implied to me. The major ones we know he has are Piccolo, Goku, Vegeta, Cold, and Freeza.
How is it implied? Those five are specifically mentioned; why not mention Gohan and the others?
He says he's comprised from the cells of the worlds strongest warriors. I take the humans and Gohan into account when he says that. I know he states in the anime he has Gohan's cells.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFzKMJSESk
Yeah, it's the dub, but I don't think it's too, if at all, off here.
Fuck the dub. The manga states that Cell has Goku's, Vegeta's, Piccolo's (all 3 from Saiyan arc), Mecha Freeza, King Cold, and various life forms. The original anime implies Kuririn & Tenshinhan (since he uses their techniques), but not Gohan, Chaozu, or Nappa.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:35 pm

Now before you say f*** the dub I would to see the original Japanese portion of that episode.
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:04 pm

I just saw the scene in Japanese (with FUNi subs of course), and Cell only mentions Piccolo, Goku, and Vegeta from Saiyan arc (he doesn't even talk when Nappa & Gohan are shown, the whole scene is to explain Cell having Piccolo's cells), and Mecha Freeza & King Cold from when they attacked Earth (he says that they could take Trunks' cells as well, but chose not to because they already had enough Saiyan cells. Though, it doesn't really make sense, since Trunks wasn't the one who killed Freeza & Cold in Cell's Timeline, it was Goku, since Trunks never appeared (it shows Trunks killing Freeza & Cold when mentioning him, in both anime & manga). Plot hole. :crazy: )

So, can I say fuck the dub now? :P
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:08 pm

That Cell is from a third timeline. That third timeline is another alternate timeline where Trunks still shows up. It just didn't work out. Does that episode also state various others? If that's the case it's safe to assume those cells aren't from average humans.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:11 pm

No, Cell's Timeline 3 is the original Timeline. T3 Trunks went to T4 and deactivated the Artificial Humans, then returned, and got killed by Cell. Then Cell went back in time, creating T1, where the events from T4 were repeated, so Trunks came there too, which created T2.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Cell's cells

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, Cell's Timeline 3 is the original Timeline. T3 Trunks went to T4 and deactivated the Artificial Humans, then returned, and got killed by Cell. Then Cell went back in time, creating T1, where the events from T4 were repeated, so Trunks came there too, which created T2.
Didn't the Chozenshuu remove Timeline 4?
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:17 pm

Yeah, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is stated in the manga that it exists, since T3 Trunks was preparing to go to the past to inform Goku & co. that he killed the Artificial Humans, and we know he wasn't heading for T1.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Cell's cells

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:19 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yeah, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is stated in the manga that it exists, since T3 Trunks was preparing to go to the past to inform Goku & co. that he killed the Artificial Humans, and we know he wasn't heading for T1.
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