Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yeah, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is stated in the manga that it exists, since T3 Trunks was preparing to go to the past to inform Goku & co. that he killed the Artificial Humans, and we know he wasn't heading for T1.
I don't understand
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
"First I whip it out! Then I thrust it! With great force! Every angle...! It penetrates! Until...! With great strength...! I... ram it in! In the end... We are all satisfied... And you are set free...!" ~Dante~
I'm aware that it's a mistake. But I try coming up with my own explanations (there was a thread about people doing just that a while back) and was just mentioning that this is one I couldn't think of any explanation for.
I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!
Not really. Cell comes from the same kind of Timeline as Trunks, with the world ravaged by #17 and #18 and with pretty much all the gang dead. If in Cell's Timeline there was Trunks defeating Freeza, then his Timeline would be like the main Timeline, which doesn't make any sense.
To me its painfully clear that its just a mistake, that Cell comes from the same Timeline that Trunks comes from, only, without Cell's interference, Trunks had defeated the androids using the remote, and thus he wasn't much stronger, so Cell has able to kill him and travel back in time. And with Cell's added interference, things changed so that all of them became much stronger and thus Trunks no longer used the remote to defeat the androids in his timeline nor was he killed by Cell.
But Toriyama just made a mistake in that scene and forgot that it should have been Goku to defeat Freeza in Cell's timeline.
I am aware of that - I fully understand the mistake, but I'm talking about an in-universe explanation. Cell doesn't actually mention that Trunks killed Freeza and Cold. So it can work that he was talking about the Trunks in his timeline, who is identical to the Trunks that killed Freeza and Cold in the current timeline anyway. It just has the effect of Cell randomly bringing up Trunks when he isn't related, but it's better than having no explanation.
I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!
Wouldn't Cell technically, according to DBZ Movie 1, also have Garlic Jr.'s cells? And possibly other movie characters' as well, depending on how their appearances in the timeilne played out? (assuming Gero stole cells from the best up until Namek; or maybe demon cells are beyond science)
FoolsGil wrote:What is "A number of other lifeforms?"
Guess they are bugs & reptiles, since Cell's appearance resembles them.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
The fact that he uses Ten Shin Han or Krilin's attacks doesn't come from any cells from them, it is thanks to the "watching robot bug" who has been watching them for years since the Red Ribon army was destroyed, including at the Tenkaichi Budokai tournaments and during the Saiyans' invasion.
