Why was Kaioshin so desperate for Potara with Pure boo?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

After Goku/Vegeta rip out the pods and revert him to Evil boo, Elder Kaioshin and Kaioshin are cheering and aren't hesitating when Goku/Vegeta are beside Evil boo. Yet when Boo's power drops back to the troublesome Pure boo, Kaioshin is wanting them to fuse even though Goku says he isn't merged anymore so they can take him. I want to hear your thoughts on this please.

[TheGmGoken]

Kaaioshin fears Fat Boo and Pure Boo the most because he got PTSD. Causing him to take caution for them. He was so sure he could beat Gotenks Boo(Through he could't) but if it was still Fat boo he would have still shit himself. He just wanted to be safe

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Because Potara would be a more efficient way of defeating Kid Boo than fighting separately. Kid Boo also destroyed a planet without any hesitation, so there'd be no reason to play around with an enemy that's shown to be irrational. Super Boo was dangerous as well, but he was under control...unlike Kid Boo.

[Bando]

They were really, really relieved Goku and co. survived. They had been waiting in anticipation after Vegetto had supposedly gotten absorbed.

Edit: Actually this was never shown in the manga and my memory was a bit off.

The Kaioshins knew Vegetto wasn't completely absorbed but they still must have been anxious. After Goku and co. escape, they were immediately uneasy about Boo's transformation. They did have a mini-celebration when Boo reverted back to his Super form, but they also didn't know Goku and Vegeta were unfused.

Did the Kaioshins celebrate again after Goku and co's escape in the anime?

[Undertaker]

By that logic Gotenks-Boo is weaker than Pure Boo because Kaioshin was shown more araid of Pure Boo

Anyway, Kaioshin knew Pure Boo's dangerous character so he wanted a safe way to beat Boo

[TheGmGoken]

By that logic Gotenks-Boo is weaker than Pure Boo because Kaioshin was shown more araid of Pure Boo

Anyway, Kaioshin knew Pure Boo's dangerous character so he wanted a safe way to beat Boo

YOu misunderstood. He was more confident to fight Gotenks BOo than he is Pure Boo. That's because he has PTSD. He ignore facts and just say Pure Boo and Fat Boo are he scariest.

[TheMightyOzaru]

He is insistent on the Potara because he doesn't think Goku and Vegeta are strong enough to get the job done. He is wrong but Goku opps not to finish him quickly which leads to his SSJ3 form failing him.

[Kamiccolo9]

He wasn't positive that Goku and Vegeta could pull off beating Buu. And if it weren't for Goku just happening to know the Genki Dama, Mr. Satan just happening to be there, Mr. Buu just happening to pop out and fight Buu, them just happening to have a set of Dragon Balls that just happened to already be gathered and ready for use, and Kaio just happening to have planetary level telepathic skills, then he would have been right.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

He is insistent on the Potara because he doesn't think Goku and Vegeta are strong enough to get the job done. He is wrong but Goku opps not to finish him quickly which leads to his SSJ3 form failing him.

So that means the reason why Kaioshin wasn't afraid of Evil boo was because he had a controllable nature and as a result, knew Goku/Vegeta could think of some sort of plan to take him out such as waking Gohan up. I mean why would Goku be afraid to leave Boo's body in the first place if he knew he had Gohan right there to take care of Boo.

[Draken]

He is insistent on the Potara because he doesn't think Goku and Vegeta are strong enough to get the job done. He is wrong but Goku opps not to finish him quickly which leads to his SSJ3 form failing him.

So that means the reason why Kaioshin wasn't afraid of Evil boo was because he had a controllable nature and as a result, knew Goku/Vegeta could think of some sort of plan to take him out such as waking Gohan up. I mean why would Goku be afraid to leave Boo's body in the first place if he knew he had Gohan right there to take care of Boo.

He was unconscious, a heavy burden, unable to fight, almost ended up causing Goku and Vegeta their lives and actually died himself?

I'm not sure why this is in question... Unless you're arguing Gohan < Goku by saying Super Buu > Gohan which no offense I can't believe anyone in their right mind would argue for.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

He is insistent on the Potara because he doesn't think Goku and Vegeta are strong enough to get the job done. He is wrong but Goku opps not to finish him quickly which leads to his SSJ3 form failing him.

So that means the reason why Kaioshin wasn't afraid of Evil boo was because he had a controllable nature and as a result, knew Goku/Vegeta could think of some sort of plan to take him out such as waking Gohan up. I mean why would Goku be afraid to leave Boo's body in the first place if he knew he had Gohan right there to take care of Boo.

He was unconscious, a heavy burden, unable to fight, almost ended up causing Goku and Vegeta their lives and actually died himself?

I'm not sure why this is in question... Unless you're arguing Gohan < Goku by saying Super Buu > Gohan which no offense I can't believe anyone in their right mind would argue for.

Oh believe me, I'm not arguing it. Just pulling that point out of curiosity.
I mean, it's easily obvious that Pure boo is weaker than his Evil form.

[valfranx]

thought this issue had been resolved by daizenshuu.

Defeat Buu! Goku fought with the revived Buu. Goku tried to have the next generation resolve this problem, but in the end he was the one who defeated Buu, the strongest in the universe, after being resurrected by receiving the life of the Dai-Kaioshin. Thereupon, he meets with Buu's reincarnation, Uub. In order to raise Uub, who didn't know how to fight, he flew off.

Fake Super Warriors Illusions History They appeared inside Buu's brain. There were fakes of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo. Characteristics Illusions made from Buu's memory. Their power is on par with their real counterparts, and even when defeated they immediately revive. When he saw them, Goku realized right away that they were fakes. Techniques They use the same techniques as their real counterparts. In particular, Goten and Trunks used Fusion to become Super Gotenks 3 right off the bat. Battles They fought with Goku and Vegeta, giving them a lot of trouble, but when some cake grabbed Buu's attention, the fakes all turned into cakes as well.

Human Vegeta.
Goku was the only one who could fight Buu. Vegeta completely abandoned his pride. He was then able to accept Goku's skill for the first time.

supreme kai says that he was the most dangerous and strongest buu, but he says, before of kidbuu, arriving in Kaioshin planet, in the land he says kidbuu was the most dangerous, after the earth is destroyed, supreme kai says kidbuu is the most dangerous and most powerful. goku ssj3, also admits he could have defeated kidbuu easily if he had used Potara.


about Goku saying they had to use fusion against superbuu, was due to the fact that they were within the body of superbuu where inside your body buu said it was indestructible, so they would have no chance of defeating superbuu inside your body. is something very simple to understand, if outside the body of the story would be different to buu.

the same thing we can say about gohan ssj2 vs Dabura that goku and vegeta said Dabura was equal in power with sp cell. and the Daizenshuu confirms that cell and Dabura are equal in power.

Dabra
King of the Demon Realm
History
Though his exact age is unknown, he has lived for over 300 years.
First Appears
Chapter 446
Characteristics
The man who boasts the greatest power in the Demon Realm, a place said to exist on the opposite side of the universe from where Goku and co. live. He had his heart manipulated by Babidi, and become his underling. On top of having a battle power equal to Cell's, he is also skilled in magic. After dying, Enma Daio judged that as king of the Dark Demon Realm he would be happy in Hell, and so he sent him to Heaven.
Techniques
Petrifaction, various forms of magic
Battles
A fairly even battle unfolded between him and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. Afterwards, he sensed that the revived Majin Buu was dangerous, and tried to defeat him, but was turned into a cookie and eaten. Despite being the strongest in the Demon Realm, feared even by Kaioshin, he came to an extremely pathetic end...

soon if Dabura has same level that cell, gohan would have to go in ssj2 to fight with Dabura. logical simple to understand.

[Bando]

Unfortunately the image no longer works but this is from the manga guidebook DB Forever.

Spoiler:

I'm going to go over those Boo images, but this will be the last strength-related translation request I take, either in this thread or in PMs or anything. I probably won't respond to any of the other translation requests in this thread either, but there's at least a slight chance I will if it's something I find interesting.

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Says Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone. From DB Forever.

[valfranx]

Unfortunately the image no longer works but this is from the manga guidebook DB Forever.

Spoiler:

I'm going to go over those Boo images, but this will be the last strength-related translation request I take, either in this thread or in PMs or anything. I probably won't respond to any of the other translation requests in this thread either, but there's at least a slight chance I will if it's something I find interesting.

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Says Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone. From DB Forever.

far as I know this is related to superbuu. this is about superbuu losing the powers that he won after that he absorbed gohan, gotenks and piccolo.


nothing related to kidbuu where absorptions kaioshins were the reasons they left kidbuu weak, and after of the kaioshins disappear in body of kidbuu, he regained their ancient powers in the past, and that the supreme kai shows us in his flashback, where he says kidbuu became weak after absorbing the kaioshins.

other evidence that shows goku feared, the kidbuu, was the fact of goku is training by years. for prepare to fight again against the reincarnation of buu.

fatbuu,was still in his body, I think people forget this fact, we can assume that superbuu not lost his powers, just turned into kidbuu, both the characters said their powers were increasing, not decreasing . this is one of the reasons why kaioshins were both dreading kidbuu. more goku and vegeta, by pure selfishness and pride, admitted he was embarrassed to use fusion to win, and then of goku see how kidbuu was powerful, admitted he should have used the fusion for defeat the kidbuu. very similar with the scene of goku saying he should use fusion to defeat superbuu.

Conclusion, goku and vegeta they underestimated kidbuu and even made ​​fun of his size, very similar to the fight gohan vs freeza, Piccolo and Krillin, who called the Freeza of harmless because he stayed small. while kaioshins were the only ones at the time who understood buu and realized the, stupidity of Goku and Vegeta wanting to fight with kidbuu without fusion. because they thought it was kidbuu harmless because of its size. this is called of CIS.

CIS is Character Induced Stupidity, which is either when a character behaves out of typical personality to serve the needs of another character or storyline (borderline PIS), or is simply (and more commonly) the intellectual or personality shortcomings of the character. Example: Spider-Man wiping the floor with Venom, despite Venom clearly being the more powerful of the two.

[Kamiccolo9]

I have no idea what you are trying to say. Could you possibly edit that so it is legible?

[valfranx]

I have no idea what you are trying to say. Could you possibly edit that so it is legible?

Summary: superbuu was not weaker but stronger after that expelled, the kaioshins. that leave weak, the buu , according to the supreme kai. goku and vegeta said buu's powers increased. fatbuu still is inside of kidbuu, what they did was just remove the influence of kaioshins they were inside buu. and finally goku admitted, that had that, use Potara against kidbuu. as admitted that they would use against superbuu when they were inside the body buu where superbuu was practically a god.
and how vegeta and Daizenshuu suggests. goku it was the one able to beat kidbuu and was the strongest in the universe, after he was revived, indicating that goku had an increase in their zenkai.

[Kamiccolo9]

I have no idea what you are trying to say. Could you possibly edit that so it is legible?

Summary: superbuu was not weaker but stronger after that expelled, the kaioshins. that leave weak, the buu , according to the supreme kai. goku and vegeta said buu's powers increased. fatbuu still is inside of kidbuu, what they did was just remove the influence of kaioshins they were inside buu. and finally goku admitted, that had that, use Potara against kidbuu. as admitted that they would use against superbuu when they were inside the body buu where superbuu was practically a god.

Are you a native English speaker? If you are, then your grammar is atrocious. I cannot tell what you are trying to say.
If you're not, then my apologies.

[TheGmGoken]

@Kamiccolo9 Since I'm also a non native speaker I think I can some-what translate what he's saying...well in a nuthshell.

Super Boo was stronger not weaker when expelled. Which leaves the weak Boo inside going by Supreme Kai. Fat Boo is still in Boo and all they did was remove the influence which Goku said they should have used the Potara.

That's all I can make of it.

[Hitiro]

far as I know this is related to superbuu. this is about superbuu losing the powers that he won after that he absorbed gohan, gotenks and piccolo.


nothing related to kidbuu where absorptions kaioshins were the reasons they left kidbuu weak, and after of the kaioshins disappear in body of kidbuu, he regained their ancient powers in the past, and that the supreme kai shows us in his flashback, where he says kidbuu became weak after absorbing the kaioshins.

other evidence that shows goku feared, the kidbuu, was the fact of goku is training by years. for prepare to fight again against the reincarnation of buu.

fatbuu,was still in his body, I think people forget this fact, we can assume that superbuu not lost his powers, just turned into kidbuu, both the characters said their powers were increasing, not decreasing . this is one of the reasons why kaioshins were both dreading kidbuu. more goku and vegeta, by pure selfishness and pride, admitted he was embarrassed to use fusion to win, and then of goku see how kidbuu was powerful, admitted he should have used the fusion for defeat the kidbuu. very similar with the scene of goku saying he should use fusion to defeat superbuu.

Conclusion, goku and vegeta they underestimated kidbuu and even made ​​fun of his size, very similar to the fight gohan vs freeza, Piccolo and Krillin, who called the Freeza of harmless because he stayed small. while kaioshins were the only ones at the time who understood buu and realized the, stupidity of Goku and Vegeta wanting to fight with kidbuu without fusion. because they thought it was kidbuu harmless because of its size. this is called of CIS.

CIS is Character Induced Stupidity, which is either when a character behaves out of typical personality to serve the needs of another character or storyline (borderline PIS), or is simply (and more commonly) the intellectual or personality shortcomings of the character. Example: Spider-Man wiping the floor with Venom, despite Venom clearly being the more powerful of the two.

I think he is trying to say Pure Boo(Kid Boo) is stronger than Evil Boo(Super Boo) which isn't the case. There are lines indicating within the manga that point out clearly the difference between the two characters. Goku could have defeated Pure Boo at full power, he said so before saying fusion would have been a good idea. Goku also made no indication they could take Evil Boo, he outright states that if they were to get outside of him they would lose for sure. Also, The Elder Kaioshin never says Pure Boo(Kid Boo) is the most powerful. Just the most troublesome.

References:

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

To the OP, I also believe Fat Boo and Pure Boo just instilled more fear in him because he remembers their deeds and them being unstoppable. It wasn't to do with their power.