No, the images I posted up top with the V-Jump promo; where he's buff and damaged like the Cell Absorbed card, but without the Cell traits.JeffJarrett wrote:This one?TheDevilsCorpse wrote:The new really buff Super 17 card is 超17号(人造人間吸収) / Chō 17-gō (jinzōningen kyūshū), or Super 17 (Artificial Human Absorption).
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Super 17 (Artificial Human Absorption) (超17号(人造人間吸収), Chō 17-gō (jinzōningen kyūshū)):
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I haven't seen GT in a while so I don't remember, but what does he do after he bulks up? I know he doesn't stay that way for long, but do we see how he reverts?
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He bulks up when absorbing 18's Ki Blasts, right before being killed by Goku.Saiga wrote:I haven't seen GT in a while so I don't remember, but what does he do after he bulks up? I know he doesn't stay that way for long, but do we see how he reverts?
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I'm pretty sure there's another moment earlier in the fight where he does the same thing, while absorbing some of Goku's ki blasts. That video definitely left some parts out.
On an unrelated note, I have gained some respect for Super 17 after watching that fight.
On an unrelated note, I have gained some respect for Super 17 after watching that fight.
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I watched it yesterday, Goku shoots his 10x Kamehameha and Super #17 takes it all, absorbs it and bulks up. It's almost too much for him and you see him with a crazed look on his face, drooling, but then he recomposes himself and "compacts" all his muscle mass, apparently turning all that excess power into usable ki, hence why he charges up continuous Blitz Abiss Coins... I mean Electric Hell Balls. It's my favourite scene in GT.
In fact, the shot JeffJarrett linked is from that scene. You can see the drool on the side of his mouth, and the red sparks are from the 10x Kamehameha.
In fact, the shot JeffJarrett linked is from that scene. You can see the drool on the side of his mouth, and the red sparks are from the 10x Kamehameha.
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Super #17 always bulked up temporary when he was absorbing ki attacks, and then returned to normal when he made the ki part of his own. Now, how and/or why he stayed like that permanently? I honestly have no idea.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Ah cool, thanks for that. I guess he could stay bulked up if he wanted, but it doesn't seem to be good for him.DNA wrote:I watched it yesterday, Goku shoots his 10x Kamehameha and Super #17 takes it all, absorbs it and bulks up. It's almost too much for him and you see him with a crazed look on his face, drooling, but then he recomposes himself and "compacts" all his muscle mass, apparently turning all that excess power into usable ki, hence why he charges up continuous Blitz Abiss Coins... I mean Electric Hell Balls. It's my favourite scene in GT.
In fact, the shot JeffJarrett linked is from that scene. You can see the drool on the side of his mouth, and the red sparks are from the 10x Kamehameha.
I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!
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Yes, with this recent form and re-watching it, I took the theory that he can choose to use the excess energy to either bulk up and gain increased strength, or compact and re-utilize it for ki attacks. All these forms and whatnot are actually making Super #17 more interesting than ever, to me at least.
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Me too. I'm a big fan of transformations, so characters with multiple forms are more interesting to me.DNA wrote:All these forms and whatnot are actually making Super #17 more interesting than ever, to me at least.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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It's not about the forms for me, it's about his capabilities and how apparently he's got more than what we were shown in the series. I've always defended that GT had tons of untapped potential. Some parts should have been shorter, others should have been longer. Super #17 is actually a tragic villain, trapped in himself, he can't stop destroying shit, up until #18 arrives and he manages to restrain himself long enough to allow himself to be destroyed. Of course, this is my interpretation since GT doesn't explain much of what is going on and instead decides to explain what is painfully obvious.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Me too. I'm a big fan of transformations, so characters with multiple forms are more interesting to me.DNA wrote:All these forms and whatnot are actually making Super #17 more interesting than ever, to me at least.
Back to Super #17 capabilities, like I've said many times, he seems to have improved versions of all Artificial Human technologies: he can absorb energy, remove his limbs to reveal hidden weapons, infinite energy, able to integrate components from other Artificial Humans into himself. It's all stuff we've seen from various other Artificial Humans. It's quite impressive. I guess all these improvements are due to his Machine Mutant technologies. They were shown to be able to integrate into each other just by melding in.
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Yeah, Super #17 is like the perfect Artificial Human. He has all the Artificial Human powers, he is the most powerful one, and he is also controllable from his maker (at least when #18 is not around). He is awesome.DNA wrote:Back to Super #17 capabilities, like I've said many times, he seems to have improved versions of all Artificial Human technologies: he can absorb energy, remove his limbs to reveal hidden weapons, infinite energy, able to integrate components from other Artificial Humans into himself. It's all stuff we've seen from various other Artificial Humans. It's quite impressive.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I don't believe they ever fully controlled him, he was just sorta brainwashed and indulged them because it was fun testing his own powers and beating the shit out of Goku. Come on, everyone in the universe wants to beat the shit out of the strongest guy ever.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yeah, Super #17 is like the perfect Artificial Human. He has all the Artificial Human powers, he is the most powerful one, and he is also controllable from his maker (at least when #18 is not around). He is awesome.
He easily turned against Gero, and M believed he wouldn't turn against him? Come on... For brilliant scientists, these guys are pretty dumb when it comes to basic sociological and psychological behaviours.
They grabbed and improved a treacherous, rebellious Artificial Human and hoped nothing would go wrong with that, solid plan.
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I like this theory. And Super 17 having the best aspects of all Androids is cool, didn't pick up on the little things like combining even aspects of 16 before.DNA wrote:Yes, with this recent form and re-watching it, I took the theory that he can choose to use the excess energy to either bulk up and gain increased strength, or compact and re-utilize it for ki attacks. All these forms and whatnot are actually making Super #17 more interesting than ever, to me at least.
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Back to the Super Saiyans 2. After doing some research on the website, I found out that Future Gohan, Future/Adult/GT Trunks, and GT Goten don't have Super Saiyan 2 in the game. GT Gohan however does seem like he has it in 1 card, and GT Vegeta seems to have it in 2 cards (we already know that at least 1 card exists):
GT Gohan:
GT Vegeta:
As you can see, Gohan & Vegeta have unusually large muscles in those cards. Just compare them with their already established SS cards:
What do you think?
GT Gohan:
GT Vegeta:
As you can see, Gohan & Vegeta have unusually large muscles in those cards. Just compare them with their already established SS cards:
What do you think?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I may be the only one, but I like SSJ2 Vegeta's design on that card.
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If he is a Super Saiyan 2, of course. And I like it too.Kamiccolo9 wrote:I may be the only one, but I like SSJ2 Vegeta's design on that card.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I think you're theory is all fine and dandy, but if we can't see the back of those cards, no dice in actual confirmation. I'll ask Nostal and see what he has.
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Well, there are cards that have "Super Saiyan" in Japanese marked on the front of their cards, so I picked those who don't have "Super Saiyan" written on them, and are different. I don't know about Gohan, but I'm 100% sure that the SS2 Vegeta card is at least one of them.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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This is one of the two SSJ2 GT Vegeta cards. The other one is when he's rushing with a yellow Ki Blast in his hands.