How strong is Grey Buu?

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:06 pm

Piccolo and Co.'s reaction should suffice along with the half a dozen statements regarding his power beforehand. I don't think the author felt he needed a reaction for every single character to get his point across.

Fat, Evil, Good on the other hand, have zero reactions and zero suggestions major power changes have occurred.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:06 pm

Kid Boo didn't go all-out, either. He was a bit pissed at first, but it became clear Mr. Boo could do nothing to him. He even says as much after he landed a hit on him.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:07 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Pure Buu was just toying with Good Buu IMO. I'd say Pure Evil Buu and Pure Buu are equal.
I think so too, but even so I don't think Grey Boo went all out.

He seemed to be going all out to me.

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:08 pm

Mr Buu is strong enough for Kid Buu to need to get his head straight to deal with him. But eventually as he uses more of his power Mr Buu becomes easy for him. Mr Buu should be head and shoulders above Vegeta imo.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:09 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Piccolo and Co.'s reaction should suffice along with the half a dozen statements regarding his power beforehand. I don't think the author felt he needed a reaction for every single character to get his point across.

Fat, Evil, Good on the other hand, have zero reactions and zero suggestions major power changes have occurred.

Going with that, after seeing Fat Buu power up every time he gets angry, does the author really need to provide a reaction when it happens again?
Why would this time be different? Where did all the dormant ki in Fat Buu go? It had to go somewhere.

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:11 pm

I can agree with that. It could go either way though. I don't think the smoke emitted from Fat Buu for the first two power ups was anything like the ones during Mr. Satan.

So I would say a lot more smoke was emitted and the smoke emitted later wasn't significant.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:17 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:I can agree with that. It could go either way though. I don't think the smoke emitted from Fat Buu for the first two power ups was anything like the ones during Mr. Satan.

So I would say a lot more smoke was emitted and the smoke emitted later wasn't significant.

I agree it can go either way. This way doesn't have Mr. Buu getting stronger by sitting around in Pure Buu's body though, so I like it more. And you can work it around to make it fit the various statements, so it works fine for me.

As for Gray Buu, though, Fat Buu is made of Pure Buu, South Kaioshin, and Dai Kaioshin. All of Fat Buu's evil ki (Pure Buu ki) went into Gray Buu, so he should be at least as powerful as Pure Buu. I say at least because he still has Kaioshin clothing, which indicates some Kaioshin power, but since we know that he is "Pure Evil" there can't be any Dai Kaioshin influence on him. Which implies that he may be stronger than Pure Buu.

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:20 pm

I wouldn't ever be able to agree with that. Although there is some anime filler that might back up your claim. For me,

Kid > Fat = Mr. Buu > Evil > Good

Is a simpler approach. Regarding Mr. Buu getting his old power back could be backed up by Vegeta's claims.

If I had to, I would keep Mr. Buu = Good and just cite differing levels of effort. I just prefer this way.

I don't think Good or Evil Buu were a threat to Gotenks.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:22 pm

Pure Evil Buu isn't a threat to Gotenks because he's stronger than Goku.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:23 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:I wouldn't ever be able to agree with that. Although there is some anime filler that might back up your claim. For me,

Kid > Fat = Mr. Buu > Evil > Good

Is a simpler approach. Regarding Mr. Buu getting his old power back could be backed up by Vegeta's claims.

If I had to, I would keep Mr. Buu = Good and just cite differing levels of effort. I just prefer this way.

I don't think Good or Evil Buu were a threat to Gotenks.

Very well. Agree to disagree I guess. That's twice this thread

Out of curiosity though, what do you have happening with all that extra power that is in Fat Buu? It can't just disappear.

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:25 pm

This is where our differences lie.

I don't see any correlation between Fat and Super. I consider them distant cousins, not identical twins that look differently.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:27 pm

They're not twins or cousins. They're the same person.

Though Mr.Buu being stronger than Good Buu (presuambly because he took all of the Kaioshin power rather than just some of it) would at least explain why Super Buu reverted to Kid Buu instead of Evil Buu; the Buu they removed was different than the one that got absorbed, for whatever reason. I might go with that myself, but I prefer the "Kid Buu died when he absorbed Dai Kaioshin and was reborn when Super Buu was formed, becoming the base".

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:29 pm

I do not agree. Imo they are completely different beings fundamentally. They share some genetic traits but are completely unique beings.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:31 pm

I don't think Fat Buu has all the power of Daikaioshin and Southern Kaioshin in there. Daikaioshin actually weakened him so don't see his Ki being a part of his body. I see Fat Buu's full accessible power at 22,000,000,000, when he isn't angry. When he gets angry and splits, Kid Buu's power, the evil within Buu, increases Buu's power to 52,000,000,000. He then splits into Good Buu with his original BP of 22,000,000,000 and into Pure Evil Buu with a BP of 30,000,000,000.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:37 pm

I think Good Buu being SK + DK is what's implied here. There's no reason Dai Kaioshin should weaken a pure good being, as his 'gentle heart' is what weakened the pure evil Kid Buu in the first place.

Maybe, as I've proposed, Grey Buu is a sickly and weaker version of Kid Buu because he's a hodge podge, as he's got vestigial Kaioshin ki inside him in addition to his normal Kid Buu ki, and when Good Buu was absorbed, that unusable ki (that would remain unusable in Super Buu) got transferred to Good Buu, along with the actually usable stuff, due to a certain rearrangement of the body that took place when Kid Buu was reborn. This would explain why Evil Buu appears to have some Kaioshin influence in him while Kid Buu doesn't, and why Kid Buu and Mr.Buu are stronger than Evil and Good Buu; because all of the ki is distributed as it should be. While I don't agree with it it seems to make more sense.

...god DAMN Gotenks ruins every power related thing in the Buu Saga.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:39 pm

Gotenks come close to ruining the Buu Arc itself. Can't stand the brat. Worst character in all of Dragon Ball.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:39 pm

If I were to make Good Buu SK + DK he would come out to be 40,000,000,000.... yeah, I don't think so. Daikaioshin weakened him so it took a lot of the usable Kaioshin Ki IMO.

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Gotenks come close to ruining the Buu Arc itself. Can't stand the brat. Worst character in all of Dragon Ball.

What you be talkin bout? Gotenks is awesome

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RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:41 pm

If I were to make Good Buu SK + DK he would come out to be 40,000,000,000.... yeah, I don't think so. Daikaioshin weakened him so it took a lot of the usable Kaioshin Ki IMO.

Why does SK have to be so freakishly strong? Why does Dai Kai? I know it's just filler, but the anime depicted him as a lot weaker than Kid Buu, and nothing in the manga contradicted this. I'd get if it disrupted your Buu fusion formula, but you don't even appear to have one anymore...

And again, why would Dai Kaioshin weaken a purely good being? The only reason he weakened Kid Buu was because of his "gentle heart".

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:43 pm

He isn't freakishly strong. I have SK at 25,000,000,000 and I have DK at 15,000,000,000. If I weakened them it would affect how absorption works for my BPs.
EDIT: I guess I could just say The Kaioshin power is there but it would mean dropping Pure Buu's power within Buu to 12,000,000,000 after the negative influence, which I'm ok with.

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:44 pm

I don't think South Kaioshin's boost can apply to the Fat Buu chain of Buu's. his power just isn't existent here imo.

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