How strong is Grey Buu?

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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:46 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Gotenks come close to ruining the Buu Arc itself. Can't stand the brat. Worst character in all of Dragon Ball.
What you be talkin bout? Gotenks is awesome 8) .
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:He isn't freakishly strong. I have SK at 25,000,000,000 and I have DK at 15,000,000,000. If I weakened them it would how absorption works for my BPs.
So, can I make a request? Outside of the power levels thread can we use "million" and "billion" instead of a bunch of zeros?
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:48 pm

He isn't freakishly strong. I have SK at 25,000,000,000 and I have DK at 15,000,000,000. If I weakened them it would affect how absorption works for my BPs.
Why? Why do they have to be so high? East Kaioshin is a weakling; these two only have to be decently above him. For example, I have it:

SK- 35,000,000,000
DK- 3,000,000,000
Mr.Buu- 38,000,000,000
Kid Buu- 45,000,000,000

On your list, that might translate to:

South Kaioshin- 22,500,000,000
Dai Kaioshin- 2,500,000,000
Mr.Buu- 25,000,000,000
Kid Buu- 30,000,000,000

Maybe Mr.Buu's a little too high on my own list and I'll make a revision (mostly I was concerned with having him and SK adding up to a clean number... also I consider the filler sections of the Mr.Buu vs Kid Buu fight to be the off-screen part in the manga), but you get the point.

What do you guys think of my above theory? I'd think it'd work if Super Buu wasn't so freakishly strong thanks to the Gotenks implications.

I thought you abandoned having a consistent formula for the absorptions? You seemed to give every single absorption a different effect on your new list.
So, can I make a request? Outside of the power levels thread can we use "million" and "billion" instead of a bunch of zeros?
But but bu- the precious zeroes...

Okay. Just preface 'in billions' before I assign a character a number in the Buu Saga.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:49 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Gotenks is an abomination and will be the first to go when I take over Dragon Ball and The Purge begins.
I personally would have got rid of Chi Chi instead. Gotenks will probably be better if he ever formed as an adult

Kamiccolo9 wrote:So, can I make a request? Outside of the power levels thread can we use "million" and "billion" instead of a bunch of zeros?
But all the zeros make them look stronger. 5 billion vs 5,000,000,000. All zeros are cool.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Mjb1985 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:50 pm

I don't see why anyone would do Dai Kaioshin + South Kaioshin for any Buu.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:50 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Gotenks is an abomination and will be the first to go when I take over Dragon Ball and The Purge begins.
I personally would have got rid of Chi Chi instead. Gotenks will probably be better if he ever formed as an adult

Kamiccolo9 wrote:So, can I make a request? Outside of the power levels thread can we use "million" and "billion" instead of a bunch of zeros?
But all the zeros make them look stronger. 5 billion vs 5,000,000,000. All zeros are cool.
Gotenks will only be the first. Chi-Chi will revert back to her awesome 23rd Budokai incarnation.

Zeroes give me a headache :crazy:
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:51 pm

They only give me a headache on really bloated lists, like Victorious'. But okay, I'll stop.
I don't see why anyone would do Dai Kaioshin + South Kaioshin for any Buu.
Because it makes the most mathematical sense for Mr.Buu, as he is all of the impurities in Buu- i.e., both of the Kaiosin. But I'm used to being the only one who follows that line of thinking, most just assign him an arbitrary power level/assume the Kaioshin ki disappeared somehow/give him 40% of Dai Kaioshin-Buu's power level to make him equal to Good Buu/make him equal to Initial Dai Kaioshin-Buu.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:56 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Gotenks is an abomination and will be the first to go when I take over Dragon Ball and The Purge begins.
I personally would have got rid of Chi Chi instead. Gotenks will probably be better if he ever formed as an adult

Kamiccolo9 wrote:So, can I make a request? Outside of the power levels thread can we use "million" and "billion" instead of a bunch of zeros?
But all the zeros make them look stronger. 5 billion vs 5,000,000,000. All zeros are cool.
Gotenks will only be the first. Chi-Chi will revert back to her awesome 23rd Budokai incarnation.

Zeroes give me a headache :crazy:
And the half Saiyans don't completely neglect training. I like how they have a life outside training (gives more depth and things to show besides fighting), but when they completely abandon all training they piss me off. You would think being half saiyan they would still enjoy training and fighting (not as die hard as Goku and Vegeta), but enough to train sometimes.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Mjb1985 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:06 pm

Dai Kaioshin seems to block South Kaioshin's influence. If anything Good Buu is Dai Kaioshin with Buu skin. Dai Kaioshin won't allow for South Kaioshin power to have an effect.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:08 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Dai Kaioshin seems to block South Kaioshin's influence. If anything Good Buu is Dai Kaioshin with Buu skin. Dai Kaioshin won't allow for South Kaioshin power to have an effect.
He only suppressed Buu because Buu was pure evil. As I said, the Daizenshuu said he suppressed Buu because of his "gentle heart". I don't see why this heart would make a pure good being weaker, but to each his own. Like I said as far as I know I'm the only one who goes with the simple A + B logic when it comes to Mr.Buu.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Mjb1985 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:12 pm

He suppressed Buu a bit but he completely suppressed South Kaioshin's influence over Buu.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:15 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
He isn't freakishly strong. I have SK at 25,000,000,000 and I have DK at 15,000,000,000. If I weakened them it would affect how absorption works for my BPs.
Why? Why do they have to be so high? East Kaioshin is a weakling; these two only have to be decently above him.
Because these numbers are particularly crucial for it to work.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:18 pm

Why? You don't even appear to have a set formula for this anymore. Even when you did, it was shaky and inconsistent when it came to South Kaioshin ("it divides it by 3 and THEN multiplies it by the first two digits of SK's power level, but then what it gets to Dai Kaioshin it just divides by the first two digits").
He suppressed Buu a bit but he completely suppressed South Kaioshin's influence over Buu.
He suppressed Buu's power and South Kaioshin's effect on him, but I have no idea why he would suppress South Kaioshin himself when they're both in the same being. As I've said, it was because of his gentle heart that Buu got weaker...

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:26 pm

This is how it works:
(30,000,000,000 + 25,000,000,000) x 5 = 275,000,000,000
(275,000,000,000 - 15,000,000,000) / 5 = 52,000,000,000 -> 22,000,000,000(Suppressed).
22,000,000,000 -> 52,000,000,000 -> 22,000,000,000 and 30,000,000,000.
(22,000,000,000 + 30,000,000,000) x 5 = 260,000,000,000.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Mjb1985 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:30 pm

There is no South Kaioshin to suppress.

Buff Buu - Kid Buu = South Kaioshin's influence.

There is no South Kaioshin and South Kaioshin influence imo. They are one in the same. South Kaioshin through Buu is stupidly powerful.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Axiom » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:45 pm

SSJ3 Goku > All.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:46 pm

Axiom wrote:SSJ3 Goku > All.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:00 pm

Axiom wrote:SSJ3 Goku > All.
Whis>Birus>SSJ Vegetto>Boohan>Bootenks>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks>Boocollo>Super Boo>SSJ3 Goku

And you could fit even more above SSJ3 Goku.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Vice » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:35 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote: Really? You couldn't elicit a better response? The way I see it is Pure Evil Buu is the manifestation of the evil within Buu that was repressed by the Kaioshin influence. Naturally I would think Pure Evil Buu is Pure Buu's equal.
Good Buu and Evil Buu split Fat Buu's full power and Fat Buu is weaker than Kid Buu. It's not complicated.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Saiga » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:51 pm

I too have taken the position that "Grey" Boo is stronger than Pure Boo, based mostly on how both fought Good Boo. I don't think Good Boo's strange would have changed at all during his time as a part of Evil Boo.
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Re: How strong is Grey Buu?

Post by Mjb1985 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:49 pm

Yea I'm with Vice. It's a simple approach. Whatever is most simple is most likely the best here imo.
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