How strong is Grey Buu?

[Saiga]

Yea I'm with Vice. It's a simple approach. Whatever is most simple is most likely the best here imo.

I don't think the alternative is that complicated. Pure Evil Boo is stronger than Pure Boo due to a better performance against the same opponent. Simple.

There are no contradictions because Fat Boo powers up when he gets angry, and here he was angrier than ever before. Still simple.

Mr Boo being stronger than Good Boo doesn't seem so simple to me, and neither does a much stronger Pure Boo doing worse than Grey Boo against the same opponent.

[Mjb1985]

Well like I said Mr. Buu does not have to be as weak as Good Buu.

[Saiga]

Well like I said Mr. Buu does not have to be as weak as Good Buu.

I know, but I don't think the explanation for that is simple, as I said in the last post.

[RandomGuy96]

They're treated as the same being and never implied to be different beings, so assuming that Mr.Buu is a different being than Good Buu is probably the more complicated route.

[MDSTSSJ]

Yea I'm with Vice. It's a simple approach. Whatever is most simple is most likely the best here imo.

I don't think the alternative is that complicated. Pure Evil Boo is stronger than Pure Boo due to a better performance against the same opponent. Simple.

There are no contradictions because Fat Boo powers up when he gets angry, and here he was angrier than ever before. Still simple.

Mr Boo being stronger than Good Boo doesn't seem so simple to me, and neither does a much stronger Pure Boo doing worse than Grey Boo against the same opponent.

When we talk about Majin Boo, it´s no so simple, he is a complicated character and better performance is not conclusive.

Fat Boo is South Kaio plus Dai Kaio containing enough of that power. Before the split, that Fat Boo can become a bit more powerful due to his composition and due to anger. Grey Boo is the result of the division of that Fat Boo. After the split, Mr. Boo maintained some of the power of Grey Boo. If the majority of the power passed to Grey Boo, we could say that Mr. Boo is weaker than Dai Kaio and that´s not true.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Lol, we have two threads on this now? I still see no sense in Pure evil boo being stronger than Pure boo. I still see Pure boo being somewhat stronger than Fat boo. Fat boo reached his limit when he unleashed Pure evil boo. Goku knew he could defeat Fat boo, but had to go all out against Pure boo. Now why wouldn't he just say "This boo is weaker than the Fat boo so it should be easier and there is no need to go all out". Pure evil boo still has Dai kaioshin influence, otherwise the Kaioshin would be afraid of him like he is with Pure boo. That disproves Pure boo = Grey boo.
Pure evil boo had a purpose. To absorb Good boo. Pure boo had no purpose and was just troublesome/difficult. Not to mention Pure evil boo has Dai kaioshins clothing.
Pure boo > Fat boo > Pure evil boo > Good boo. Yes, Fat boo is South Kai, Dai kaioshin, and Pure boo. But Dai kaioshin weakened Boo so we can't use him as a strength addition. All he did was lock away Buff boo's ki.
So to narrow it down, Fat boo's true power must be Buff boo, but due to Dai kaioshin restricting his ki. Most of it is locked away.
Turning into Evil boo made him less restricted as he was closer to his Buff form that way. Finally, after removing Good boo, he began to turn back into his Buff form momentarily being completely unrestricted from Dai kaioshin bringing back all that power that Fat boo/Evil boo could not access. Then finally, his power drops back to Pure boo as the South kaioshin absorption wore off bringing his power down to a level that is still stronger than Fat boo. Ba da bing.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Really? You couldn't elicit a better response? The way I see it is Pure Evil Buu is the manifestation of the evil within Buu that was repressed by the Kaioshin influence. Naturally I would think Pure Evil Buu is Pure Buu's equal.

Good Buu and Evil Buu split Fat Buu's full power and Fat Buu is weaker than Kid Buu. It's not complicated.

Fat Buu when he's angry is stronger than Kid Buu =/.

[Axiom]

I can't believe we are still having this conversation - I'd just like one statement showing Greybuu on the same level as Pure Buu.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I can't believe we are still having this conversation - I'd just like one statement showing Greybuu on the same level as Pure Buu.

, There is proof in the form of Pure Evil Buu fairing better against Good Buu than Pure Buu did.

[Axiom]

Oh? You mean the same Buu who allowed Vegeta to blow off half of his body because he doesn't give a fuck? Or is it the same Buu who beat the Fat Buu so bad that he nearly died? Oh, it's the same Buu who was on SSJ3 Goku's level, and that the Kai's believed fusion was essentially the only option of beating?


The problem with these theories is they weren't meant to be analyzed under a microscope - things that were supposed to be silly or fun aren't meant to be feats to support a twisted viewpoint of something that doesn't fit in the story. It's not stated or implied, it's just a weak fan theory with no basis beyond a few panels that really don't show anything other than Kid-Buu is stronger than Fat-Buu.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Buu was quite annoyed with Good Buu. The opposite is true of Vegeta.

[Axiom]

Buu was quite annoyed with Good Buu. The opposite is true of Vegeta.

And the Grey Buu was very annoyed as well, going as far to just pummel Fat Buu without any semblance of purpose besides kicking ass. Fat Buu was out of his league in both fights, but we KNOW that Grey Buu cannot be stronger than the original Fat Buu and Fat Buu is weaker than Kid Buu. End of story.

[Kamiccolo9]

. End of story.

Apparently not, since numerous people believe otherwise.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Buu was quite annoyed with Good Buu. The opposite is true of Vegeta.

And the Grey Buu was very annoyed as well, going as far to just pummel Fat Buu without any semblance of purpose besides kicking ass. Fat Buu was out of his league in both fights, but we KNOW that Grey Buu cannot be stronger than the original Fat Buu and Fat Buu is weaker than Kid Buu. End of story.

I really think you should read the manga again, Pure Evil Buu was NOT annoyed with Good Buu. Yeah, he is weaker than the original Fat Buu... when he's not angry. He powered up before the split =/.

[Axiom]

Buu was quite annoyed with Good Buu. The opposite is true of Vegeta.

And the Grey Buu was very annoyed as well, going as far to just pummel Fat Buu without any semblance of purpose besides kicking ass. Fat Buu was out of his league in both fights, but we KNOW that Grey Buu cannot be stronger than the original Fat Buu and Fat Buu is weaker than Kid Buu. End of story.

I really think you should read the manga again, Pure Evil Buu was NOT annoyed with Good Buu. Yeah, he is weaker than the original Fat Buu... when he's not angry. He powered up before the split =/.

And he was still weaker than Kid Buu, Vegeta witnessed the split happen from otherworld.

[Kamiccolo9]

And he was still weaker than Kid Buu, Vegeta witnessed the split happen from otherworld.

We don't know how he saw it. Maybe he sensed them. Maybe he watched it on Baba's crystal ball. Maybe he was told about it later. We don't know when Vegeta got his body back.

[TheMightyOzaru]

And he was still weaker than Kid Buu, Vegeta witnessed the split happen from otherworld.

And? He still got stronger and then split.

[Axiom]

And he was still weaker than Kid Buu, Vegeta witnessed the split happen from otherworld.

We don't know how he saw it. Maybe he sensed them. Maybe he watched it on Baba's crystal ball. Maybe he was told about it later. We don't know when Vegeta got his body back.

Vegeta is aware of SSJ3 Goku (which happened right after he died) to Buu's split into Fat-Buu/Skinny-Buu (which happened after Goku returned to otherworld.)

And he was still weaker than Kid Buu, Vegeta witnessed the split happen from otherworld.

And? He still got stronger and then split.

Oh, and would you like to show me the quote that says that? No matter what, Vegeta was confident that a Skinny Buu was absolutely beatable by him and Goku.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yes, I would actually:

Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P2.3
Narrator: “Due to his strong anger, the evil portion that Majin Boo had kept inside himself greatly swelled up and became another Majin Boo, who came flying out…In other words, he was divided into a pure evil Majin Boo and an innocent Majin Boo…”

This implies he got stronger in the process of splitting.

[Kamiccolo9]

And he was still weaker than Kid Buu, Vegeta witnessed the split happen from otherworld.

We don't know how he saw it. Maybe he sensed them. Maybe he watched it on Baba's crystal ball. Maybe he was told about it later. We don't know when Vegeta got his body back.

Vegeta is aware of SSJ3 Goku (which happened right after he died) to Buu's split into Fat-Buu/Skinny-Buu (which happened after Goku returned to otherworld.)

And he was still weaker than Kid Buu, Vegeta witnessed the split happen from otherworld.

And? He still got stronger and then split.

Oh, and would you like to show me the quote that says that? No matter what, Vegeta was confident that a Skinny Buu was absolutely beatable by him and Goku.

Goku also transformed against Gotenks Buu. We don't know which one Vegeta saw, but that one makes more sense.
And even if he saw it, that doesn't mean he knew how strong anyone was. Vegeta also says that they can handle Pure Buu at first. Oops. And even before that, he thought he could take Fat Buu. Oops.