SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku By How Much?

[SaiyanZ]

I agree, even though I think Goku > Gotenks under certain circumstances, I don't think there's a plausible way that Vegeta > SSJ Gotenks

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He isn't exactly a weakling, since if we ignore all the Boo forms (since he dies in the end), and Vegetto (since he was only a temporary being that will never happen again), Goku is #3.

[PerfectFreeza]

It makes no difference to his power, if he is dead.

[dbzfan7]

He isn't exactly a weakling, since if we ignore all the Boo forms (since he dies in the end), and Vegetto (since he was only a temporary being that will never happen again), Goku is #3.

I mean the duration of the Boo saga because you got

Vegetto>Boohan>Bootenks>Gohan>Gotenks>South Boo>Boocollo>Super Boo>Kid Boo>Goku>Fat Boo>Vegeta>Piccolo>Trunks>Goten

That's pretty low on the list, and some can even extend it. You can move Goku in front of Kid Boo and he is still low. Goku is mid tier at best.

[RandomGuy96]

You forgot the real Buuccolo. He's technically a different Buu form. He's also possibly behind Pure Evil Buu.

[mAcChaos]

Fat Buu should be above SSJ3 Goku. At least at his max.

[dbzfan7]

You forgot the real Buuccolo. He's technically a different Buu form. He's also possibly behind Pure Evil Buu.

You can make another list. Either way Goku is mid-low tier.

Fat Buu should be above SSJ3 Goku. At least at his max.

I'm going with the average list. You can make up your own. My point is that even if you change it up Goku is only mid-low tier.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think people don't like SS3 Goku & Pure Boo being so weak compared to others because they are the final hero & villain. What they don't realize, however, is that Goku wasn't supposed to be the final hero, Gohan was.

[Mjb1985]

There's always the issue of Goku being surpassed. People always try to make Goku as close as possible or even stronger than Gohan at the CG. He's the main character and people like him being the strongest. A lot of bias comes along with that. For me, I just go with what I feel is suggested. I never try to give Goku or any other character for that matter any extra credit.

[Axiom]

Notice here how after he was brought down to Super Boo's level he says we're almost there. The we're almost there is to weaken Boo to the very first one of all. This is referenced in the quote below. DBZ covered the rest of the quote

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P8.1
Context: Goku points out that if he and Vegeta aren’t merged, Vegeta will have to return to the afterlife
Vegeta: “Hmph…That’s better than being merged with you…Anyway, there shouldn’t be any need for us to merge anymore, right?”
Goku: “We can’t know that! There’s [no] guarantee that we’ll be able to successfully rescue everyone who got absorbed from here and return Boo to the very first one of all…!”
Note: when Goku finds the good Boo later, he calls him “the very first one of all”, so apparently that’s the form of Boo he means here too.

Notice how Goku was talking about returning Boo to the very first one of all and labels the Fat Boo the very first one of all. It's clear cut that this was the goal and that Super Boo is way too much for Goku.

You got me beat - I have to admit that.

[Axiom]

The manga implies that Goku and Kid-Buu are vastly stronger than Gotenks or Gohan, I guess I should run with that theory?

I just can't imagine that a SSJ Gotenks is on the same level as SSJ3 Goku and NO ONE commented on it. No one. It wasn't even considered a viable option in beating Buu.

[PerfectFreeza]

Umm....where?
No one commented on it, because the kids were already expected to be around that realm of power.
Piccolo was gonna send them to beat Buu the next day or two.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The manga implies that Goku and Kid-Buu are vastly stronger than Gotenks or Gohan, I guess I should run with that theory?

It is debatable, or rather would be, if the previous quotes that prove otherwise didn't exist.

There's always the issue of Goku being surpassed. People always try to make Goku as close as possible or even stronger than Gohan at the CG. He's the main character and people like him being the strongest. A lot of bias comes along with that. For me, I just go with what I feel is suggested. I never try to give Goku or any other character for that matter any extra credit.

I agree. I mean, Goku is my favorite character, but I'm not biased to make him the strongest. Besides, his goal in DBZ was to be the strongest, but also to make his son(s) even stronger than him, and he succeeded by the end, which is awesome. It completes Goku's ambitions.

[Draken]

The manga implies that Goku and Kid-Buu are vastly stronger than Gotenks or Gohan, I guess I should run with that theory?

I just can't imagine that a SSJ Gotenks is on the same level as SSJ3 Goku and NO ONE commented on it. No one. It wasn't even considered a viable option in beating Buu.

Uh what? Piccolo commented on it. Goku himself commented on it. Super Buu commented on it. It was a viable option in beating Buu, it was their entire gamble that they staked the fate of the Earth on.

What manga are you reading again?

[RandomGuy96]

SS3 Goku level or no, he's repeatedly said to be stronger than Fat Buu, and Piccolo seemingly agrees with this assertion, as he senses Fat Buu and Gotenks yet doesn't doubt Goku's prediction and is still comfortable sending Gotenks to fight Fat Buu even without ROSAT training. Not a viable option?...are we talking about a different series? He was the whole plan to beat Buu.

[Axiom]

The manga implies that Goku and Kid-Buu are vastly stronger than Gotenks or Gohan, I guess I should run with that theory?

I just can't imagine that a SSJ Gotenks is on the same level as SSJ3 Goku and NO ONE commented on it. No one. It wasn't even considered a viable option in beating Buu.

Uh what? Piccolo commented on it. Goku himself commented on it. Super Buu commented on it. It was a viable option in beating Buu, it was their entire gamble that they staked the fate of the Earth on.

What manga are you reading again?

Why are you replying to me again - didn't get the hint the first time?

But the answer is honestly simple, and it took me a moment to realize it.

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P8.1
Context: Goku points out that if he and Vegeta aren’t merged, Vegeta will have to return to the afterlife
Vegeta: “Hmph…That’s better than being merged with you…Anyway, there shouldn’t be any need for us to merge anymore, right?”
Goku: “We can’t know that! There’s [no] guarantee that we’ll be able to successfully rescue everyone who got absorbed from here and return Boo to the very first one of all…!”
Note: when Goku finds the good Boo later, he calls him “the very first one of all”, so apparently that’s the form of Boo he means here too.

Chapter 463 (Page 4?)
Goku's plan from the very beginning was to fight Buu as a team - He mentioned it when fighting Vegeta, he again mentioned in on the lookout while he laments the loss of Gohan and Vegeta - he never planned on using the boys or using SSJ3. His plan hasn't changed, and inside of Buu Goku refers to his power in conjunction with the Vegta "We are no match for him."

[Draken]

What hint? That you're too scared to debate and like dodging questions?

Yes his whole plan was to fight as a team. Definitely. That's why he stalled for time, taught Goten and Trunks fusion, and told them to go off and fight Buu as Gotenks. Because using a quote about Super Buu when we're talking about Gotenks' viability in fighting Fat Buu is SOOOO useful isn't it?

And yea his whole plan was to fight as a team when he went off to play rock paper scissors with Vegeta to fight over who gets to fight Buu 1v1. Yup. They're totally fighting as a team man.

[MDSTSSJ]

He isn't exactly a weakling, since if we ignore all the Boo forms (since he dies in the end), and Vegetto (since he was only a temporary being that will never happen again), Goku is #3.

I mean the duration of the Boo saga because you got

Vegetto>Boohan>Bootenks>Gohan>Gotenks>South Boo>Boocollo>Super Boo>Kid Boo>Goku>Fat Boo>Vegeta>Piccolo>Trunks>Goten

That's pretty low on the list, and some can even extend it. You can move Goku in front of Kid Boo and he is still low. Goku is mid tier at best.

Kakarotto is the second strongest unfused character in the Boo Saga! And the SSJ3 Goku is a very very big deal.

All that other characters are merged and that is another history and Vegetto by far is the strongest of the fused characters.

Who is South Boo in your mixed character list??? You mean Buff Boo?

[RandomGuy96]

Kid Buu is likely stronger. So third.

[Kamiccolo9]

He isn't exactly a weakling, since if we ignore all the Boo forms (since he dies in the end), and Vegetto (since he was only a temporary being that will never happen again), Goku is #3.

I mean the duration of the Boo saga because you got

Vegetto>Boohan>Bootenks>Gohan>Gotenks>South Boo>Boocollo>Super Boo>Kid Boo>Goku>Fat Boo>Vegeta>Piccolo>Trunks>Goten

That's pretty low on the list, and some can even extend it. You can move Goku in front of Kid Boo and he is still low. Goku is mid tier at best.

Kakarotto is the second strongest unfused character in the Boo Saga! And the SSJ3 Goku is a very very big deal.

All that other characters are merged and that is another history and Vegetto by far is the strongest of the fused characters.

Who is South Boo in your mixed character list???

It's Buff Buu.