Toyble AF Villains VS Young Jijii AF Villains.

[KentalSSJ6]

I was gonna post this in the VS thread but seeing how AF is fan made, I figured it made more sense to put it here. So anyway, its Toyble's Villains VS Young Jijii's Villains.

Seeing how Toyble has only one major villain so far, being Zaiko/Xicor, I think its fair for now to put him against Ize, Young Jijii's first villain. So lets look at the facts.

Xicor - Defeats Goten with a single blast, beats a SSJ4 Vegeta and Gohan along with a SSJ Trunks until sealed in the Z sword temporarily through everyone's combined help and Kibitokai.

Ize - Equals SSJ4 Vegeta in his first form, defeats both SSJ4 Vegeta, SSJ4 Gohan, Majuub, and SSJ3 Gotenks in his third form, is killed by SSJ5 Gohan.

For me it comes down to two questions. Who's SSJ4 is stronger? Toyble's or Young Jijii's? The next question is if Xicor can go into any of the Super Saiyan forms. Many think Xicor is SSJ5 because of his white hair but thats simply due to being half Kaioshin. What do you guys think?

[hulkty]

Xicor isn't really a SSj5. That was just a mistranslation.
If he EVEN WAS in a SSj state yet, it would be SSj1. ...oh God, imagine if that's really the case!

[KentalSSJ6]

Indeed. As I said if Xicor can indeed go SSJ1 and above, id say he has this fight, if he cant, then it goes to Ize but it really depends on whos version of SSJ4 is stronger, Toyble or Young Jijii.

[tomac66]

I think that first enemy Xicor is the best and more strong because in its normal state it can with all, is half Saiyan so it has to be able to transform, perhaps in about 5 or 6 years Toyble show us his true power.

As for the rest of enemies of Young jijii truth is that you are improving, I'm looking forward to seeing the Dragons of 4 and 1 star and not miss you to save even more than the SSJ5 transformation.

[dbzfan7]

Xicor most likely curb stomps. Ize is only over ten times stronger than Freeza which is pathetic. I'd say people in Z can already crush Ize. If Goku went SSJ3 on namek he would already be almost close to Ize. To put things in numbers

Freeza: 120,000,000
Ize: 1,200,000,000

Goku wouldn't even have to double his Freeza saga strength to beat that at SSJ3.

[KentalSSJ6]

I personally think that was a translation error to be honest. Cant be sure but id say 50 times stronger would make more sense.

[dbzfan7]

I personally think that was a translation error to be honest. Cant be sure but id say 50 times stronger would make more sense.

50 times stronger is still too weak. Goku would only need to get 5x stronger of the course from the series to match that in SSJ3. I doubt Goku only got 5x stronger through out Z and GT.

[dario03]

I kind of figured that they were just throwing out the 10x Freeza as a minimum. Doesn't Piccolo kind of imply that Ize is stronger than that. Like when he is talking to Gohan and Gohan says 10x Freeza he says something about not being sure or having a bad feeling or something? Plus like dbzfan7 was saying 10x is just to weak, a Namek saga SS3 Goku would be 10x Freeza.

[dbzfan7]

I kind of figured that they were just throwing out the 10x Freeza as a minimum. Doesn't Piccolo kind of imply that Ize is stronger than that. Like when he is talking to Gohan and Gohan says 10x Freeza he says something about not being sure or having a bad feeling or something? Plus like dbzfan7 was saying 10x is just to weak, a Namek saga SS3 Goku would be 10x Freeza.

Yeah 10x isn't a minimum. That's around what he is. He is above 10x but he can't be that far above 10x. Even if he was it would still be pathetic by Z standards.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't know much of anything about AF but I hear Xicor is like the strongest thing ever.

[dario03]

A lot of fan made manga's probably have people be the strongest ever. But like the OP says both Ize and Xicor defeat SS4's easily and we don't know what story has stronger SS4. Personally I'm kind of leaning toward Ize being stronger since IIRC he crushed them all easily in his true form and Xicor actually had to try when they all attacked at full power. But as far as I know Xicor's story never ended so he could be stronger. But like I said there are other fan mangas with crazy strong people, I haven't read to many of them but I think Rigor (the first enemy of DBNA) would be stronger than both. He was stronger than SS4 Gogeta. He couldn't maintain that level for long but even without it he was far stronger than Goku and Vegeta as SS4s.

I kind of figured that they were just throwing out the 10x Freeza as a minimum. Doesn't Piccolo kind of imply that Ize is stronger than that. Like when he is talking to Gohan and Gohan says 10x Freeza he says something about not being sure or having a bad feeling or something? Plus like dbzfan7 was saying 10x is just to weak, a Namek saga SS3 Goku would be 10x Freeza.

Yeah 10x isn't a minimum. That's around what he is. He is above 10x but he can't be that far above 10x. Even if he was it would still be pathetic by Z standards.

I've seen that page and while I know it doesn't make sense for "over 10 times greater" to mean a lot greater than 10x it does say greater and story wise it doesn't make sense for it to only be around 10x. So I'm going with him being far greater than 10x and the statements of 10x just being thrown in there or not thought out.

[KentalSSJ6]

Yeah, the X10 stronger than Freeza may only constitute for Ize's first form as hes in his first form when Piccolo makes the claim. Now following Freeza's forms, Ize's second form would double his power correct? Third form put Freeza at 1.5 million and in his final form at 100% he was at 120 million.

So second form Ize would be double, third form would be a .5 increase from the second form, and the final I wouldn't know how to say.

Regarding Rigor, yeah hes one of the most powerful villains of the fan series and could handle Ize. Xicor is a maybe, considering hes still the prominent villain and could still get more powerful with the possible SSJ forms.

The most powerful fan villain I could think of (and I hate sounding like I'm bragging) would be one of the villains from my own fan project http://dbsw.deviantart.com/gallery/39764924 .

[dario03]

Yeah, the X10 stronger than Freeza may only constitute for Ize's first form as hes in his first form when Piccolo makes the claim. Now following Freeza's forms, Ize's second form would double his power correct? Third form put Freeza at 1.5 million and in his final form at 100% he was at 120 million.

So second form Ize would be double, third form would be a .5 increase from the second form, and the final I wouldn't know how to say.

Regarding Rigor, yeah hes one of the most powerful villains of the fan series and could handle Ize. Xicor is a maybe, considering hes still the prominent villain and could still get more powerful with the possible SSJ forms.

The most powerful fan villain I could think of (and I hate sounding like I'm bragging) would be one of the villains from my own fan project http://dbsw.deviantart.com/gallery/39764924 .

His first form being 10x 100% Freeza was something I was thinking of too and if that was the case and his final form boosted his power as much as Freeza's, then it could possibly make sense. Though I would actually say that even then it would be a bit low. But theres also the problem of his first form being as strong as SS4 and like you said that's when its said that he is 10x Freeza and that doesn't make sense. Plus that picture above points to his final form and says 10x Freeza.

I just think the author kind of threw that 10x in there for some reason and kept going with it even though he seems to imply that that wasn't what Piccolo means.
Gohan: 50 years! Which means... He's 10x stronger than Freeza?
Piccolo: It'd be something like that, if you calculate it in simple terms. However... I have an uneasy premonition. You'd better not hesitate to all fight him together!

So to me it sounds like Gohan said 10x and Piccolo disagreed and thought it was much higher. And then when that character page for Ize came up the author just wrote greater than 10x Freeza since there isn't any other number thrown out.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Well it says with this perfect body, he now has power over 10x stronger than Freeza. That would imply his true form is 10x stronger than Freeza. You also have to take into account that fan manga clearly run on different power scaling. This guy could easily believe that SSJ isn't a multiplier, rather it's a constant level. He could also believe Goku's base maxes out pretty early on. He may also run different multipliers for his SSJ forms, I mean who knows.

[KentalSSJ6]

Well he has a blog. If someone who has a good understanding of Japanese could ask him these questions and tell him those things I'm sure we might get a answer from him. I myself wanna ask him if hed be interested in drawing my project but as I dont know Japanese aside from about 10 words learned from watching anime, I got nothing.