Vegeta's insufficient ki

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Some people believe that getting restored to life decreases your ki based on this quote :

Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P5.3
Context: after Vegeta says he’ll hold off Boo again, so Goku can prepare the Genki-Dama
Goku: “You’ll sta-stall for time?…Yo-you’ve just been restored to life. Your ki still ain’t full, is it?!”

I refuse to believe that is the context due to earlier proof from other points in the series that say otherwise. In the Saiyajin saga, Goku was restored to life on Kaio's world and then took off at full blast like he was filled with energy and lasted the whole way. He only needed a senzu bean because he used up so much ki from his journey back.

Next, we have Piccolo restored to life and teleported to namek flying off heading straight to fight Freeza. Nobody, not even Kaio mentions anything about waiting it out until his ki is restored fully.

Next, we have Goku restored to life from Elder Kaioshin and he is about to leave to go help Gohan just before Kaioshin halts him. He halts him and mentions nothing about short ki, but brings up potara. Goku even goes SSJ3 right when Evil boo is charging at him.

From this, I can conclude that what Goku meant was that Vegeta stalled for time earlier to let Goku gather his ki up, he used up a ton of his ki fighting with Pure boo and Goku is hesitant over him stalling again after being restored to life. Goku wants Vegeta to be careful because his ki is still low from his fight.

Anyway, this is how I see it and I for the life of me don't see why your ki would just randomly drop down after being restored to life. Nothing adds up to that.

Give me your thoughts.

[sintzu]

Some people believe that getting restored to life decreases your ki based on this quote :

Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P5.3
Context: after Vegeta says he’ll hold off Boo again, so Goku can prepare the Genki-Dama
Goku: “You’ll sta-stall for time?…Yo-you’ve just been restored to life. Your ki still ain’t full, is it?!”

I refuse to believe that is the context due to earlier proof from other points in the series that say otherwise.

it says otherwise here

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AwvIvn2ixwM/T ... mgmax=2000

[hleV]

it says otherwise here

Why would you trust a shitty scanlation over a Kanzenshuu-approved translation?

[Hitiro]

I have always assumed that you are restored back to life with the amount of ki you had before you died. Or subsequently; if you have been granted a body in the afterlife, like Goku and Vegeta, you would be restored to the level of ki you had when you were in the afterlife.

So, there are two possibilities in what I see it as.

1. You die with, lets say for arguments sake, 50% of your ki. You aren't granted with a body in the afterlife. You are brought back to life with 50% ki.

2. You die with 50% ki. You are granted your body in the afterlife. You return with the amount of ki you had with your afterlife body.

[sintzu]

it says otherwise here

Why would you trust a shitty scanlation over a Kanzenshuu-approved translation?

that would explain why vegeta didn't go ssj-ssj2 but isn't it from viz ? if not then is it just a fan translate or do the viz chapters have a lot of mistakes in theme ?

and where can i find this Kanzenshuu-approved translation ?

[Hitiro]

that would explain why vegeta didn't go ssj-ssj2 but isn't it from viz ? if not then is it just a fan translate or do the viz chapters have a lot of mistakes in theme ?

and where can i find this Kanzenshuu-approved translation ?

No, Viz is mostly correct, they just shortened it a bit. What you linked is a fan translation. What OWmyDragonBallz put is from the Japanese manga that Herms translated. You can find all power and strength quotes at the Strength Checker thread here on Kanzenshuu which are the most accurate translations of the Japanese manga. Viz is a lot closer to the Japanese manga then that scanlation you linked.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku kinda ate a Senzu before his fight with Vegeta soooooooooo....

[sintzu]

that would explain why vegeta didn't go ssj-ssj2 but isn't it from viz ? if not then is it just a fan translate or do the viz chapters have a lot of mistakes in theme ?

and where can i find this Kanzenshuu-approved translation ?

No, Viz is mostly correct, they just shortened it a bit. What you linked is a fan translation. What OWmyDragonBallz put is from the Japanese manga that Herms translated. You can find all power and strength quotes at the Strength Checker thread here on Kanzenshuu which are the most accurate translations of the Japanese manga. Viz is a lot closer to the Japanese manga then that scanlation you linked.

thanks a lot for the link

[Kaboom]

Vegeta was dead but already had a body, and had been fighting just a few minutes ago, so he'd exhausted a lot of his ki already. All that being restored to life really changed was removing his halo.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Goku kinda ate a Senzu before his fight with Vegeta soooooooooo....

I explained that in my reasoning.

[Axiom]

I don't really see how this Herms is more accurate than an offical translation, but whatever. I use it because everyone else does.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't really see how this Herms is more accurate than an offical translation, but whatever. I use it because everyone else does.

Viz's translation is an English adaptation of the Japanese manga (there are intentionally altered lines), while Herms' translation is a literal translation from Japanese to English.

[sintzu]

I don't really see how this Herms is more accurate than an offical translation, but whatever. I use it because everyone else does.

Viz's translation is an English adaptation of the Japanese manga (there are intentionally altered lines), while Herms' translation is a literal translation from Japanese to English.

if the altered lines change the story then manga should be translated literaly from Japanese to English

[VegettoEX]

Yes, many people will make that argument. Of course, a precise literal translation of a line doesn't always capture the intended tone of the line when you're going between two languages that share no real roots or basis with each other. That's why manga and anime, particularly in dubs, bring in "rewriters" to handle that sort of thing...

... which, in turn, throws these kinds of arguments/discussions into disarray when the folks discussing them don't have the capacity to turn to the original dialog to dissect it . That's why Herms provides a bit of context with lines in the "Strength Checker" alongside a more literal translation of the dialog, so you have most of the tools at your disposal to then make an informed decision about how you want to use that information.

[Darkprince410]

There's also the simple fact that literal 100% translations from Japanese to English aren't exactly possible from what I gather. Due to there being no direct equivalent to a word or phrase used, things such as plurality, and the like kind of make such things impossible. Herms and others that have done translations try to stick as closely as they can to the literal translation for the sake of accuracy for discussions on here, but as far as for actually reading them in comic form I don't think they'd do as well, which is why Viz's takes some slight liberties.

[Hitiro]

There's also the simple fact that literal 100% translations from Japanese to English aren't exactly possible from what I gather. Due to there being no direct equivalent to a word or phrase used, things such as plurality, and the like kind of make such things impossible. Herms and others that have done translations try to stick as closely as they can to the literal translation for the sake of accuracy for discussions on here, but as far as for actually reading them in comic form I don't think they'd do as well, which is why Viz's takes some slight liberties.

Not to mention there is also the fact that Japanese is a much more compact reading language then English. They have characters that make up words where as English is different. To fit some of the translations in the speech bubbles in manga would be incredibly difficult without resizing the speech bubbles or making the pages much larger. So they probably have to make what is said more short and concise to get the point across.

[Kamiccolo9]

There's also the simple fact that literal 100% translations from Japanese to English aren't exactly possible from what I gather. Due to there being no direct equivalent to a word or phrase used, things such as plurality, and the like kind of make such things impossible. Herms and others that have done translations try to stick as closely as they can to the literal translation for the sake of accuracy for discussions on here, but as far as for actually reading them in comic form I don't think they'd do as well, which is why Viz's takes some slight liberties.

Not to mention there is also the fact that Japanese is a much more compact reading language then English. They have characters that make up words where as English is different. To fit some of the translations in the speech bubbles in manga would be incredibly difficult without resizing the speech bubbles or making the pages much larger. So they probably have to make what is said more short and concise to get the point across.

I'd never considered the space thing. Yeah, that would be an issue. I have a couple of Rurouni Kenshin volumes, and the text is really crammed at times. Now I know why