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Post by Storm » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:29 pm

My opinion on the humans never really changed much after watching Dragon Ball; I've never disliked any of them, and am fond of Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Kuririn in their own ways, but the lack of being given total address in the story gave me a disconnect (I personally have a hard time getting really attached to characters unless they have a lot of screentime, they're significant to the story, or both). I mean, at least from the moment, say, Vegeta and Gohan are introduced, they stay relevant and active throughout the whole series, and several times over become more powerful than Goku, graduating from "Goku's cheerleaders and assistants" to "temporary main weapon."

Then again, when Gohan became the hero of the Cell arc I found it poorly executed, so what do I know.

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Post by DonZ » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:32 pm

Storm wrote: Then again, when Gohan became the hero of the Cell arc I found it poorly executed, so what do I know.
Why ? it was obvious that Toryiama was referring to Gohan having his secret power -or whatever- since the beginning of Saiyan arc, Raditz part of the story. so it isn't weird for him to be a hero instead of Goku, i even think it would be weird of Gohan didn't suprassed Goku and get to be the hero, and i think it's amazing. for the frst time we get someone else than Goku being a hero and saves the day.

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Post by Storm » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:37 pm

Because Gohan had no personal connection to Cell. He never met Cell before they fought, he never cared about who he was besides a bad guy who was doing bad things, he never had a personal conflict. Daimao killed several of Goku's friends, the Saiyans were a link to a lost past of Goku's (and killed several of his friends), Freeza was the original cause of the death of the Saiyans (and killed several of his friends...see a pattern?), Cell was just a bad guy. Same thing happened with Buu; Gohan just got leftover scraps of the current arc's Big Bad.

Not to mention Gohan's sudden pacifism in his fight came out of nowhere, given that he WANTED to train for the Artificial Humans attacking, and WANTED to train in the Room Of Spirit And Time to fight against Cell, only to end up on the battlefield and getting cold feet. Gohan fought Vegeta, the Tokusentai, and Freeza, but stops against Cell? I just don't buy it.

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Post by Xeogran » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:15 am

Broly power being revealed. Would finally shut up the Broly VS Cell VS M10 Broly VS SPc Cell debate.

Otherwise, make a movie with Gogeta SSJ again. He became such a famous character after barely 3 minute screentime if not less. SSJ4 was a whole another thing.

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Post by KingofWisdom » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:17 pm

I'd like to see a film made to develop the non-Saiyan characters further. No bad guys rear their head. Or something similar to Son Goku and His Friends Return where the villain is weak to the point that Goku and Vegeta are uninterested, and the remaining Z Fighters take him on. It'd be a nice change of pace.
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Post by ABED » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:49 pm

Why ? it was obvious that Toryiama was referring to Gohan having his secret power -or whatever- since the beginning of Saiyan arc, Raditz part of the story. so it isn't weird for him to be a hero instead of Goku, i even think it would be weird of Gohan didn't suprassed Goku and get to be the hero, and i think it's amazing. for the frst time we get someone else than Goku being a hero and saves the day.
Does anyone complain about Superman being the hero in his own book? Dragon Ball is Goku's story. THat's not to say no one else can be important. A big reason I'm not interested in Gohan as the hero is because ALL of his power is due to emotional bursts and ridiculous power ups. Goku constantly worked to better himself, so the power ups felt earned.

I would like the lesser powered characters to be given something to do. Even though the Saiyans are by far the most powerful, it could be interesting if there were things only Tenshinhan and Kuririn could do in order to take down a bad guy. That's one of the reasons I love the Vegeta fight. Even Yajirobe played a very important role in that battle.
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Post by KingofWisdom » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:33 pm

The thing is, though, someone needs to take Goku's place. Or the world is screwed when Goku is gone.
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Post by Ringworm128 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:40 pm

Ain't that what Uub's for?

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Post by ABED » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:44 pm

KingofWisdom wrote:The thing is, though, someone needs to take Goku's place. Or the world is screwed when Goku is gone.
We don't need to see it. It's sorta like the end of The Dark Knight Rises, it's nice that Bruce named a successor, but I'm glad we didn't see a Batman that's not Bruce Wayne.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:46 am

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Why ? it was obvious that Toryiama was referring to Gohan having his secret power -or whatever- since the beginning of Saiyan arc, Raditz part of the story. so it isn't weird for him to be a hero instead of Goku, i even think it would be weird of Gohan didn't suprassed Goku and get to be the hero, and i think it's amazing. for the frst time we get someone else than Goku being a hero and saves the day.
Does anyone complain about Superman being the hero in his own book? Dragon Ball is Goku's story. THat's not to say no one else can be important. A big reason I'm not interested in Gohan as the hero is because ALL of his power is due to emotional bursts and ridiculous power ups. Goku constantly worked to better himself, so the power ups felt earned.

I would like the lesser powered characters to be given something to do. Even though the Saiyans are by far the most powerful, it could be interesting if there were things only Tenshinhan and Kuririn could do in order to take down a bad guy. That's one of the reasons I love the Vegeta fight. Even Yajirobe played a very important role in that battle.
Superman is in a totally different situation than Goku. Goku appears in one manga; Superman is in at least four different comic books at once, and he's often not the main character. Goku's successors quickly get shunted back to the side in favor of Goku, while Superman's tend to get their own comics. Goku made a huge deal about first Gohan, then Gotenks, then Gohan again, and then Uub becoming his successor, yet no one, not Toryama nor Toei ever ran with this idea. It would have been different had Goku not made a big deal about saving the Earth not being his responsibility anymore, but he did, and less than one in-universe day later, he changed his mind.

It's also the ways the movies and GT treat him. Both of Goku's kids are stronger than he is (for Goten, he's stronger while fused), so anything Goku can do, they can do better. Yet it's always Goku who saves the day. It would be ok if this was done realistically, by having Goku outsmart stronger enemies, or by him sacrificing himself, or something of that nature, but instead we get movies that make every non-Goku character look bad, just to make him look better.
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Post by DBZ Mick » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:23 am

A remake of LOG and some new LOG games for DB and DBGT.
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Post by PhoenixEX » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:51 am

Still waiting for that potential Dragon Ball X Naruto anime crossover special.
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Post by ABED » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:59 am

Superman is in a totally different situation than Goku. Goku appears in one manga; Superman is in at least four different comic books at once, and he's often not the main character. Goku's successors quickly get shunted back to the side in favor of Goku, while Superman's tend to get their own comics. Goku made a huge deal about first Gohan, then Gotenks, then Gohan again, and then Uub becoming his successor, yet no one, not Toryama nor Toei ever ran with this idea. It would have been different had Goku not made a big deal about saving the Earth not being his responsibility anymore, but he did, and less than one in-universe day later, he changed his mind.

It's also the ways the movies and GT treat him. Both of Goku's kids are stronger than he is (for Goten, he's stronger while fused), so anything Goku can do, they can do better. Yet it's always Goku who saves the day. It would be ok if this was done realistically, by having Goku outsmart stronger enemies, or by him sacrificing himself, or something of that nature, but instead we get movies that make every non-Goku character look bad, just to make him look better.
He gets shunted because he wasn't a good successor. My point about Superman is that he is the main character, just like Goku is for Dragon Ball. We don't need to see Goku's successor take over the book, it can just as easily be a story about Goku from beginning to end. I have little desire to see someone take Goku's place except to say "this guy will take over when Goku steps down..." but I have little desire to see them in that role. I've been with Goku from the beginning because I found him interesting. GOku had to step in because no one was able to do what he could. Goku can also fuse and Vegetto is stronger than Gotenks. Goku is shown again and again to be a better fighter than many of his enemies and willing to put his life on the line. Gohan just gets power ups due to his emotions. Goku puts the work in, which makes him far more interesting.
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Post by Cold Skin » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:19 am

Well, let's say impossible things AND things I hope for but which might be unlikely to happen:

- Dragon Ball Kai's currently available episodes being re-released with the original, more cinematic Yamamoto tracks. (impossible for legal reasons)

- The whole anime being remade like in Ultimate Tenkaichi, plus openings/endings completely changing as often as in One Piece and Naruto. (unlikely to happen anytime soon)

- HD versions of the Super Butoden and Hyper Dimension games, with character sprites and landscapes drawn by Toriyama or Toei. (chances of happening: 0.00001% chances with Toriyama, 0.01% chances with Toei).

- A new Dragon Ball game having a story mode as complete as Budokai 1 with gorgeous graphics looking like a full remake (= more than just the original anime, like Burst Limit trying to make things more impressive): you don't put text to summurize, you show everything, even Goku presenting his son, Mr. Satan being aired on TV in front of Yamcha and Krilin, Goku arriving at Capsule Corp to start his journey to Namek... (quite unlikely, they must know that's what we want ever since Budokai 1 and they still haven't done that, so it's likely they just won't).

- Full-Color Manga / Kanzenban colors in video games. You don't take an adaptation as a basis, you take the source material as last updated. Colors for each characters/elements could be decided individually, for example setting "Goku = Full-Color Manga, Kaio Shin = Kanzenban cover, Cell Game Gohan = Anime, Piccolo = Full-Color Manga"... (very unlikely if we look at all games since the PS2)

- Possibility to replace in-game music with a specific track-by-track replacement, similarly to Tekken Tag Tournament 2. We would be able to match great replacement fitting the intended mood depending on our personnal preferences.

- A Battle of Gods' director's cut with additionnal scenes. Just like for Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, once the product has been released, you have all the time to enhance the existing materials, correct a few things, and add 30 minutes worth of scenes to expand on what needed to be expanded (adding screen time / usefulness for minor characters?). Without time constraints, you're free to make it exactly what you wanted to be, so you should.
To me, video games, CGI and anime - unlike live-action shot scenes - are easy to tweak with more impressive details and effects and easy to correct anything you want and easy to add new scenes to, so it should be mandatory for games/anime developers to add even more quality to their product once it's been done and they have all the time to make their "final mix" / "director's cut" / "complete" version. (terribly unlikely since when you already don't take time to make ten completely different openings/endings through the episodes of Kai, you're probably not willing to produce anything more than what's strictly necessary).

- Information from the Kai Boo saga instead of pretending nothing's happening. Pictures of the opening/ending, number of episodes, eyecatches, "next episode preview" picture, examples of fillers being kept or cut... (won't happen due to the fact that it kinda doesn't exist in Japan, so they don't see a point in promoting it in any way).

- All remaining sagas of the Full-Color Manga on Mangapolo (half unlikely to happen, they just said they "had no plans to go past the Saiyans' saga right now", so it could mean everything or nothing).

- Some "giant" (in comparison to previous Dragon Ball games) story game (likely RPG or Action-RPG) that would cover the story from the beginning to the end of the manga, with possible side quests being the movies and anime fillers. Dragon Ball has a full encyclopedia of elements and has a 500+ chapters story. With all that, you could build an in-game universe the size of a classic Final Fantasy, so come on! (unlikely to happen cause they would have done in by now).

- (Re)translations of the official guides. (unlikely to happen until completion of the manga retranslation first, for the translator to have all necessary elements to see the logic in every info of the guide and translate it properly).

- Every single costume characters have worn being available in a game (whether it was filler, official artwork...). (unlikely to happen, yet it would be so easy to make ALL costumes available through updates and DLCs post-release).

- A crossover with Naruto, whether it also involves One Piece of not. (impossible for legal reasons and the proportions of different companies to never make such truce/agreements even for mutual good).

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:It's also the ways the movies and GT treat him. Both of Goku's kids are stronger than he is (for Goten, he's stronger while fused), so anything Goku can do, they can do better. Yet it's always Goku who saves the day. It would be ok if this was done realistically, by having Goku outsmart stronger enemies, or by him sacrificing himself, or something of that nature, but instead we get movies that make every non-Goku character look bad, just to make him look better.
To be fair, the star of Movies 9 & 10 was Gohan, and the stars of M11 were Goten & Trunks. In M12, Janenba was in Hell, and neither Gohan or Gotenks could go there. In M13, Hildegarn was stronger than Goku, Gohan, and Gotenks, but Goku defeated him because he was the only one to realize his weakness, and he did it with his most powerful attack. In BoG, Beers was much stronger than Ultimate Gohan, SS3 Gotenks, SS3 Goku, and Raged SS2 Vegeta, but Goku came up with the idea to ask Shenlong how to turn into Super Saiyan God, and then Goku asked everyone to help him to become one, and they agreed. In GT, they didn't intend to send the strongest fighters for the space travel, and when Baby attacked, he had possessed Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Trunks, and he was also stronger than SS3 Goku & Super Oob. So Goku found out how to transform into a Super Saiyan 4, which made him stronger than Super Oob, Ultimate Gohan, and SS3 Gotenks.
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Cold Skin wrote:- HD versions of the Super Butoden and Hyper Dimension games, with character sprites and landscapes drawn by Toriyama or Toei. (chances of happening: 0.00001% chances with Toriyama, 0.01% chances with Toei
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Post by DoomieDoomie911 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:07 pm

I'd like to see a new Dragon Ball manga. Though the chances of that happening are slim to none.
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Post by kei17 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:11 pm

A movie about King Vegeta's whole life directed by me.

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Post by Eddie » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:19 pm

Marvel Vs Dragon Ball Z: Coming to PS4 in 2014 :D

I can see the opening trailer now. The Marvel logo shows up, and we see a helicarrier flying through the sky. All of a sudden we see a tear in the fabric of spacetime. Cue rockin' Kageyama song (something with a Super Survivor vibe), footage of Goku fighting Thor, Vegeta fighting Wolverine, and Great Saiyaman doing goofy poses, followed by Spider-Man swinging in and cracking a joke. Throw in Man-Thing and Bio Broli as dlc and you'd truly have a fighting game that pleases fans worldwide.

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Post by Makaioshin » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:07 pm

I would like it if newer material resembled Akira Toriyama's latest art style. But I think they'll just stick with a stiff version of the Boo arc style.

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