Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Storm101 · Post by **Storm101** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:38 pm

Either way Salagir has Gohan and SSJ Bra on the same tier with Goku stating SSJ Bra is stronger than him.

Perhaps they have a new form that Salagir hasn't revealed yet. And Goku never explicitly stated that, I believe what he said was "Is she stronger than us too...?!"

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:51 pm

I thought this chapter was about XXI..guess not. Through he did cause it.

Salagir2 · Post by **Salagir2** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:03 pm

> RandomGuy96, about the difference in power between Android 16 & Suppressed Mecha Freeza. here

I don't see it so big actually. Why not? because this kind of list can be found in many other parts of the saga, actually. And you summarize it all in one line : "(BIG GAP)". This gap can also count for 10 characters, making the number of lines bogus.
The gap you talk about, is very tiny compared to the gap between Nappa-Ginue, Ginue-Freeza, Freeza-Perfect Cell, Cell-Buu, or Buu-Vegetto....
Still, some characters went from a gap to another like magic. If it's possible for Goku, Piccolo, why not a few others ?

> Trunks tried to attack Perfect Cell mid-transformation. It didn't do a damn thing because Cell was just that much stronger.

I don't like "infinite shield around transformation". When Trunks attacks after, Perfect Cell isn't invincible against him. I mean he can't take a punch without moving. That means that *before* he was perfect, he could do a barrier better than after ? Magic :p
Also, it's not because Cell got an indestructible barrier when transforming that Cold got one. It would be normal that it's the case, but as nothing of the sort was shown, it's the author to decide.
So I understand your point, but I can go around it and decide transforming isn't that easy for Cold, in my fanfic.

> Why didn't he transform the minute he got to Earth?

- He knows that Freeza lost by a small margin last time and is stronger now. He is also about as strong as his son (in my vision), so that's 2 against one with equivalent power.
- He can't control himself when transformed.

> ("future" universe) Goku was the one who dispatched Freeza and Cold. He would surely have let them transform. How did that universe survive?

That's told in the fanfic currently being released in english now. Answer in a few weeks.

> TonyTheTiger

I don't know what THE PACT is ^^ Looks like a fanfic. Don't have time to read. Don't have the power to not let it lives... it lives ! Keep your word now

> is DBM Wiki "official"?

Nope, but anyone working on it asking me a question to improve it will get an answer. Thanks to these guys for this very cool work!!
(although i've seen one error, but it was a translation pb, not their fault)

"Majin Punisher" is a good term as this technique does not have a name. It's a very particular "kiai" that so far, only Vegetto, Son Bra and a huge genkidama could do.

> RandomGuy96: Gohan's, who's just randomly strong because Toriyama says so, and got stronger than everyone else combined in 1 year because lulz (including Trunks, a fellow hybrid who took two ROSAT trips and had the Super Saiyan form for way longer)

+ 1 infinity

> Kamiccolo9: I don't know what Zen Buu's bragging about. Fat Buu's method of shutting Babidi up worked out pretty well, in my opinion.

Totally agree

But clearly he didn't use it in his universe.

I didn't think about Dabra spiting on Buu. That would have been a great... I mean a surprising thing if Dabra saved the day !!! ;p But I'll go with Buu being able to stop the spit magic so easily that he doesn't care.
As you can see, U11 Majin Buu isn't prisoner nor absorbed in there. He is having fun so U4 Buu doesn't threaten him. After all, they get along well.

> Insertclevername : That top panel looks terrible

I pick at you but nothing personal : I see this kind of sentence about DBM, randomly, a lot.
I do understand that many DBM pages were terrible. And that some panels by good cartoonists where not good.
But for example here... How is this panel terrible ? It's very good and I can't find any error, any particular problem. It can always be better but frankly... Why is it so bad?

> Kamiccolo9: It's horribly out of character. Since when do the manga characters, GASP, work together?

OOC is also pointed out a lot in DBM. For sure many time I plaid guilty.
But everyone being attacked by something that can only be stopped efficiently by a barrier, being together to begin with, acting together. Is that so weird? No, really ?

Maybe you were sarcastic and pointing out in the anime how Gokû must be the only one doing some work ;p Sorry, I found that out after writing the 2 lines above.

> dbzfan7: But I find it odd how the main universe is barely focused on at all.

That is because I have so much to tell on the new universes, whereas you know most of U18.
I know it's getting some people down, especially how I show so little of Gokû. Event Uub & Vegeta18 were shown more than him.
It's because I had things to tell about them, and not about Gokû.

> > *sigh* SS2 Goku & Vegeta have sparks without auras on.
> Their auras are combined with everyone's aura into a giant aura.

Good answser. To make it more clear, adding auras to everyone would just make a big mess.
Adding lightings shows that they are SSJ2.
(because YES, I'm a big advocate of SSJ<=>lighting)
BTW, I didn't give any aura instruction to Zettoshonen here, but what he did was a perfect choice in my opinion.

Also, adding a comment because I see it's not that clear in the comic : Buu isn't absorbing anyone. He is "just" making them all prisoners. No absorption. Yet.

> coola: in text fanfiction, he said he`ll hurt Pan, if Gohan won`t fight him

Actually, he just get the idea, and dismiss immediately. Just like he does for breaking gohan's skull in the comic.
Didn't you want to punch a friend at some time? Wanting very hard but of course not doing it. This is kinda the same here. As Vegetto didn't act and dismissed the idea immediately, he considers himself as OK.

About instant transmission, Vegetto knows the 2 of them : yardrat and kibito. The last one can teleport you anywhere, no need for a presence. Buu, Vegetto and Bra knows it.
It's said in the fanfic, but it's not an excuse. I should have explained that better in the comic. When Buu teleports nears Broly in space, he talks about Kaioshin teleportation, then Vegetto joins him. I thought it would be clear. It's not. Sorry.

Hey, with the new server, pages and comments are displayed with no problem at all, it seems !! Isn't it great?
I think I will even reduce the cache system to show the last comments sooner.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:15 pm

Salagir2 wrote: > Kamiccolo9: It's horribly out of character. Since when do the manga characters, GASP, work together?

OOC is also pointed out a lot in DBM. For sure many time I plaid guilty.
But everyone being attacked by something that can only be stopped efficiently by a barrier, being together to begin with, acting together. Is that so weird? No, really ?

Maybe you were sarcastic and pointing out in the anime how Gokû must be the only one doing some work ;p Sorry, I found that out after writing the 2 lines above.

I was being sarcastic. Kinda. The manga is guilty of this as well.

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:17 pm

Cold = Weaker than Freeza.
16 = Far stronger than 17 and 18.
17 and 18 = About on par with Super Namek Piccolo
Super Namek Piccolo = Far above the Super Saiyans.
How the fuck is Cold on par with 16?

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:26 pm

Draken wrote:Cold = Weaker than Freeza.
16 = Far stronger than 17 and 18.
17 and 18 = About on par with Super Namek Piccolo
Super Namek Piccolo = Far above the Super Saiyans.
How the fuck is Cold on par with 16?

I can't even think of something logical to make up a reason why.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:34 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
Draken wrote:Cold = Weaker than Freeza.
16 = Far stronger than 17 and 18.
17 and 18 = About on par with Super Namek Piccolo
Super Namek Piccolo = Far above the Super Saiyans.
How the fuck is Cold on par with 16?
I can't even think of something logical to make up a reason why.

To be fair, Freeza got 120 times stronger from his second form to his final form. Assuming Cold gets a similar boost, then he could be around 16's level, or higher.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:38 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
Draken wrote:Cold = Weaker than Freeza.
16 = Far stronger than 17 and 18.
17 and 18 = About on par with Super Namek Piccolo
Super Namek Piccolo = Far above the Super Saiyans.
How the fuck is Cold on par with 16?
I can't even think of something logical to make up a reason why.
To be fair, Freeza got 120 times stronger from his second form to his final form. Assuming Cold gets a similar boost, then he could be around 16's level, or higher.

I was thinking that. But didn't know if Cold is the same as Freeza who forms was to hold back his power since he was losing control. I was thinking that if Cold could transform it was to gain power not to make the restriction smaller.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:39 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
I was thinking that. But didn't know if Cold is the same as Freeza who forms was to hold back his power since he was losing control. I was thinking that if Cold could transform it was to gain power not to make the restriction smaller.

I don't think he is. But this is Salagir's story.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:57 pm

coola wrote:Well, wanting to break your son skull without any reason is quite mean

You are right, its sounds nothing like something Vegeta might say when he's frustated and blowing off steam...

coola · Post by **coola** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:40 pm

Salagir2, thanks for another answer, and rereboy, yes, you are right, Vegeta would say that.

TonyTheTiger · Post by **TonyTheTiger** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:15 pm

Salagir2 wrote:> TonyTheTiger

I don't know what THE PACT is ^^ Looks like a fanfic. Don't have time to read. Don't have the power to not let it lives... it lives ! Keep your word now

THE PACT is far beyond any fanfic!
See for yourself!

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:19 pm

rereboy wrote:
coola wrote:Well, wanting to break your son skull without any reason is quite mean
You are right, its sounds nothing like something Vegeta might say when he's frustated and blowing off steam...

That's actually quite right. There's no fucking way Boo arc Vegeta would think that about Trunks.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:20 pm

Or Gohan, for that matter.

> RandomGuy96, about the difference in power between Android 16 & Suppressed Mecha Freeza. here

I don't see it so big actually. Why not? because this kind of list can be found in many other parts of the saga, actually. And you summarize it all in one line : "(BIG GAP)". This gap can also count for 10 characters, making the number of lines bogus.
The gap you talk about, is very tiny compared to the gap between Nappa-Ginue, Ginue-Freeza, Freeza-Perfect Cell, Cell-Buu, or Buu-Vegetto....
Still, some characters went from a gap to another like magic. If it's possible for Goku, Piccolo, why not a few others ?

> Trunks tried to attack Perfect Cell mid-transformation. It didn't do a damn thing because Cell was just that much stronger.

I don't like "infinite shield around transformation". When Trunks attacks after, Perfect Cell isn't invincible against him. I mean he can't take a punch without moving. That means that *before* he was perfect, he could do a barrier better than after ? Magic :p
Also, it's not because Cell got an indestructible barrier when transforming that Cold got one. It would be normal that it's the case, but as nothing of the sort was shown, it's the author to decide.
So I understand your point, but I can go around it and decide transforming isn't that easy for Cold, in my fanfic.

> Why didn't he transform the minute he got to Earth?

- He knows that Freeza lost by a small margin last time and is stronger now. He is also about as strong as his son (in my vision), so that's 2 against one with equivalent power.
- He can't control himself when transformed.

Because Cold was explicitly stated several times to be weaker than Freeza, and you seem to treat it not as "Cold got new transformations and got stronger", but rather "Cold was always this strong but lied several times about it and is also the dumbest person in the galaxy".

Well, you can not like it, but that's what happened. Also, Cell totally tanked a full force kick to a vital area without budging an inch WHILE SUPPRESSED from someone stronger than Trunks. What we saw was likely just unsuppressed Cell- or hell, just less suppressed Cell. Barrier or no (why the hell wouldn't Cold be able to use a barrier if Freeza can?), Cold in the process of transforming would be so much stronger than Trunks it wouldn't matter.

He knows what? Why did Freeza lie to his dad about his and Goku's fight being close?

Anyway, even if that were true, that sequence STILL doesn't make any sense, as Cold is taking an unnecessary risk by 'suppressing' himself to half of Freeza's own power (Cold = suppressed Freeza was stated) basically putting a giant "kill me" sign over his head. And he also goes out of his way to lie all the time about his son being stronger than him, I guess.

So I ask again: rather than violate canon and make the entire beginning of the android arc an idiot plot, why not just not have a line about Cold being haxxed? What did it add to the story? If you want to focus on Cold, since you don't think he got enough attention in the actual series, why does he need to be anywhere near that strong to beat Videl and Bardock? If you need Videl and Bardock that strong for whatever reason and yet still want a Frost Demon to advance, why not have Cooler advance? He's ACTUALLY strong enough to beat someone who can stomp Freeza, so no contradiction is needed there.

Son Edo · Post by **Son Edo** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:28 am

I want to see Super Boo and Cell interact with each other.

Tzigi · Post by **Tzigi** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:21 am

Just thought you might want to know something more about the new chapter - Charlotte aka Kira (that's the nickname she uses in the Italian comments section) has posted way in 2010 a single image from her chapter

If it seems similar than you're right - that's the same panel that PoF drew for his u16 special chapter:

That's about all I can say no - all the other info I have is restricted to DBM translating team

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:16 am

Saiga wrote:
rereboy wrote:
coola wrote:Well, wanting to break your son skull without any reason is quite mean
You are right, its sounds nothing like something Vegeta might say when he's frustated and blowing off steam...
That's actually quite right. There's no fucking way Boo arc Vegeta would think that about Trunks.

First, Gohan isn't Vegeta son. Second, Boo arc Vegeta wouldn't do that to Gohan, like he would in the Saiyan, Namek and probably even in the Cell arc if Gohan frustrated him (and even in the Buu arc, when he was Majin, he would do that to Gohan without any problems).

But yelling that he felt like doing it after being frustrated? I don't see why not. Just because Vegeta is tamed in and after the Buu arc to the point that he can be considered a good guy, that doesn't mean that his personality is gone all of the sudden. You all seem to forget who Vegeta is and what he has done. Sure, he's reformed, but his personality will never be as pleasant or as good as some of the other guys. And half of Vegetto is Vegeta.

RandomGuy96 wrote:Or Gohan, for that matter.

Er, Vegeta actually did or tried to do that to Gohan in the Saiyan and Namek arc, he would probably do that to Gohan in the Cell arc if he was frustrated enough since in that arc he didn't even lift a finger to save Bulma and baby Trunks from Gero's attack, and even in the Buu arc he would probably do that to Gohan if he was frustrated enough since he was willing to become Majin and kill a lot of people just to get to fight Goku.

So, post-Buu arc Vegeta merely saying that he felt like doing that while seriously frustrated without actually doing it? Seems perfectly in line with him. And Vegetto is 50% Vegeta.

omegalucas · Post by **omegalucas** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:48 pm

Salagir, this seems to be the pact! xD

TonyTheTiger wrote: I'm still waiting for Bra to lose her shirt. Come on, Salagir! Write it in, even if it's for just one panel!

And the pact still stands! If Bra appears topless in DBM we all change our avatars to the relevant panel(s) for one month.

hulkty · Post by **hulkty** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:20 pm

Even though Chi-Chi was a b*tch at times...I feel sorry for her after what Vegito did to her.

hulkty · Post by **hulkty** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:24 pm

Another random thought...don't you think it would be annoying living with Vegito after a while?
Think about it... hearing 2 voices at the same time consistently...
Much of been weird when Vegito and Bulma were "getting down". Hearing Goku and Vegeta's voice making moan sounds at the same time LOL

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