Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:17 pm

Bulllllllllcraaaaaaaaap.

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:40 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote:Goku and Vegeta are both over Ultimate Gohan
I don't think so.

miguelnuva1 wrote:Vegeta has a new form.
We don't know that.

Goku for sure was stated stronger then Gohan and Vegeta is at least rivaling.

Insertclevername · Post by **Insertclevername** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:13 pm

The art here is so stiff. Just look how nonchalant Gohan looks.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:09 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote:Goku and Vegeta are both over Ultimate Gohan
I don't think so.

miguelnuva1 wrote:Vegeta has a new form.
We don't know that.
Goku for sure was stated stronger then Gohan and Vegeta is at least rivaling.

Goku said Bra was above him in SSJ form and Gohan is placed in the same tier as SSJ Bra. Salagir has stated Goku and Vegeta haven't gotten much stronger.

On topic how the hell did the Super Namek do anything. Maybe he is really strong.

Also his stop makes me think

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:20 am

I have bad flashbacks from that game. I was kinda liking this Namekian guy, but you had to ruin it for me, didn't you?

That guard, two trolls, and a rat chased me from Anvil to Cheydinhal. I was level 2. It was a nightmare. All I did was steal a cup.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:25 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I have bad flashbacks from that game. I was kinda liking this Namekian guy, but you had to ruin it for me, didn't you?

That guard, two trolls, and a rat chased me from Anvil to Cheydinhal. I was level 2. It was a nightmare. All I did was steal a cup.

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I never played Oblivion to be honest.

Son Edo · Post by **Son Edo** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:38 am

I guess Boo will die soon

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:37 am

dbzfan7 wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:[Goku and Vegeta are both over Ultimate Gohan
I don't think so.

miguelnuva1 wrote:Vegeta has a new form.
We don't know that.
Goku for sure was stated stronger then Gohan and Vegeta is at least rivaling.

Goku said Bra was above him in SSJ form and Gohan is placed in the same tier as SSJ Bra. Salagir has stated Goku and Vegeta haven't gotten much stronger.

"Son Gohan... What power!" Exclaimed Uub. "I've never seen you in combat before!"

"Yeah, Gohan doesn't like fighting." Said Goku. "I'm proud of how strong he is, but he hasn't really trained since the fight with Cell... It's kind of a shame."

"Is he... Stronger than you?" Uub asked.

"He was ten years ago." Replied Goku.

So now we know SSJ3 Goku> Gohan at the least.

There's more evidence:

"Forget it!" Vegeta intervened. "Gohan is worthless. I could beat him with my eyes closed!"

The remark made Gohan smile. "If it makes you happy to think so, Vegeta."

Vegeta also smiled, remembering a time nine years ago...

9 years before:

Vegeta, whose clothes were torn from the battle, folded his arms across his chest. "Level three is useless. I intend to do much better. But if you hold back, I won't be able to."

"What could be better than having long hair and no eyebrows?" Goku asked humorously.

"It uses up too much energy." Said Vegeta. "It's powerful but far too limited. We must find a better solution."

"But to surpass level three wouldn't you have to master it first?" asked Goku skeptically.

"Perhaps." Said Vegeta. "But there happens to be a person in this very room who is stronger than level three... And even without a single transformation."

Assuming that Goku at SSJ3 is only a little stronger than Ultimate Gohan and Vegito is a lot stronger but still close.

Ultimate Gohan: 1,000
SSJ3 Goku: 1,050
Vegito: 10,000
MSSJ Vegito:500,000
SSJ2 Vegito: 1,000,000
SSJ3 Vegito: 4,000,000

We know a Base fusion is stronger than a SSJ3 version of it's fusee and based on SSJ3 Gotenks>>>>>>>Base Gotenks(post ROSAT)>>MSSJ Gotenks(Pre ROSAT)>SSJ3 Goku>SSJ3 Goten, then Gogeta could be.

Gogeta: 9,000
MSSJ Gogeta: 450,000
SSJ2: 900,000
SSJ3: 3,200,000

Gogeta should be rivaling Vegito.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:52 am

@miguelnuva1

I don't care what the novel says. Salagir's official tier list says otherwise. How does Goku and Vegeta barely getting stronger (as said by Salagir) somehow surpass Ultimate Gohan. I'll take what is stated in the fan manga and Salagir over the novel. As stated in the fan manga by Goku is that SSJ Bra is stronger than him. Gohan is placed in the same tier as SSJ Bra. Until the fan manga says something or Salagir openly states Goku and Vegeta surpassed Gohan, then I have no reason to believe a novel. Until the fan manga states anything of what you have written I will then accept it. The most I would believe is in two different multi-verse stories as the Fan Manga mentions none of that.

Looking on the mutli-verse page he isn't even credited as the writer of the novel version.

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:00 am

dbzfan7 wrote:@miguelnuva1

I don't care what the novel says. Salagir's official tier list says otherwise. How does Goku and Vegeta barely getting stronger (as said by Salagir) somehow surpass Ultimate Gohan. I'll take what is stated in the fan manga and Salagir over the novel. As stated in the fan manga by Goku is that SSJ Bra is stronger than him. Gohan is placed in the same tier as SSJ Bra. Until the fan manga says something or Salagir openly states Goku and Vegeta surpassed Gohan, then I have no reason to believe a novel. Until the fan manga states anything of what you have written I will then accept it. The most I would believe is in two different multi-verse stories as the Fan Manga mentions none of that.

Looking on the mutli-verse page he isn't even credited as the writer of the novel version.

I believe that quote was from the Manga, also

Just want to add that the new page has Goku saying they both need to unleash their full powers vs Zen Buu to protect everyone from the main universe where Uub, Mystic Gohan, the ssj boys, and Piccolo are already using theirs. Vegeta denies the request, if its so that they both are holding back that much power in DBM, then it really says a lot. As Sal has said there would not be a god or ssj4

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:00 am

dbzfan7 wrote:@miguelnuva1

I don't care what the novel says. Salagir's official tier list says otherwise. How does Goku and Vegeta barely getting stronger (as said by Salagir) somehow surpass Ultimate Gohan. I'll take what is stated in the fan manga and Salagir over the novel. As stated in the fan manga by Goku is that SSJ Bra is stronger than him. Gohan is placed in the same tier as SSJ Bra. Until the fan manga says something or Salagir openly states Goku and Vegeta surpassed Gohan, then I have no reason to believe a novel. Until the fan manga states anything of what you have written I will then accept it. The most I would believe is in two different multi-verse stories as the Fan Manga mentions none of that.

Looking on the mutli-verse page he isn't even credited as the writer of the novel version.

Unless Salagir pulls a bullshit excuse like the gap wasn't that big(Like he did with Freeza and Android 16) I agree with you.

Vegeta denies the request, if its so that they both are holding back that much power in DBM, then it really says a lot. As Sal has said there would not be a god or ssj4

So let's get this straight. Goku and Vegeta are holding back power YET they barely got stronger after Boo Arc. Can I get a bullshit?

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:02 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:@miguelnuva1

I don't care what the novel says. Salagir's official tier list says otherwise. How does Goku and Vegeta barely getting stronger (as said by Salagir) somehow surpass Ultimate Gohan. I'll take what is stated in the fan manga and Salagir over the novel. As stated in the fan manga by Goku is that SSJ Bra is stronger than him. Gohan is placed in the same tier as SSJ Bra. Until the fan manga says something or Salagir openly states Goku and Vegeta surpassed Gohan, then I have no reason to believe a novel. Until the fan manga states anything of what you have written I will then accept it. The most I would believe is in two different multi-verse stories as the Fan Manga mentions none of that.

Looking on the mutli-verse page he isn't even credited as the writer of the novel version.
Unless Salagir pulls a bullshit excuse like the gap wasn't that big(Like he did with Freeza and Android 16) I agree with you.

He isn't credited as the writer of the novel version. That alone makes me discredit any statement from it. The fan manga already has an offical tier list with Gohan and SSJ bra in the same league of power. Goku already commented on Bra being stronger than him. This alone proves that Gohan and SSJ Bra>SSJ3 Goku in this manga.

miguelnuva1 wrote:I believe that quote was from the Manga, also

Let me know when you find it as I'm certain it doesn't exist. Goku's bra statement how ever does exist.

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:04 am

dbzfan7 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:@miguelnuva1

I don't care what the novel says. Salagir's official tier list says otherwise. How does Goku and Vegeta barely getting stronger (as said by Salagir) somehow surpass Ultimate Gohan. I'll take what is stated in the fan manga and Salagir over the novel. As stated in the fan manga by Goku is that SSJ Bra is stronger than him. Gohan is placed in the same tier as SSJ Bra. Until the fan manga says something or Salagir openly states Goku and Vegeta surpassed Gohan, then I have no reason to believe a novel. Until the fan manga states anything of what you have written I will then accept it. The most I would believe is in two different multi-verse stories as the Fan Manga mentions none of that.

Looking on the mutli-verse page he isn't even credited as the writer of the novel version.
Unless Salagir pulls a bullshit excuse like the gap wasn't that big(Like he did with Freeza and Android 16) I agree with you.
He isn't credited as the writer of the novel version. That alone makes me discredit any statement from it. The fan manga already has an offical tier list with Gohan and SSJ bra in the same league of power. Goku already commented on Bra being stronger than him. This alone proves that Gohan and SSJ Bra>SSJ3 Goku in this manga.

All that says is Salagir started with the intent that Gohan and Bra were stronger. It now looks like Goku is ahead of Gohan.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:05 am

miguelnuva1 wrote: All that says is Salagir started with the intent that Gohan and Bra were stronger. It now looks like Goku is ahead of Gohan.

Nothing in the fan manga says things have changed. Goku's Bra statement and Gohan being in the same tier as SSJ Bra is enough to prove nothing has changed.

No fan manga quote supports Goku being stronger than Gohan as of now. However the gap between them hasn't been stated so Goku may not be several times weaker as how some people (including me) place him. Maybe he is a little weaker or maybe a few times (according to the tier list he was in SSJ3 Gotenks league bullshit). All we know is that he is weaker according to Goku's bra quote and Gohan's spot on the tier list. I will believe it when I see it.

But hey Goku got a boost to be considered in Gotenks league still bullshit.

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:24 am

dbzfan7 wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote: All that says is Salagir started with the intent that Gohan and Bra were stronger. It now looks like Goku is ahead of Gohan.
Nothing in the fan manga says things have changed. Goku's Bra statement and Gohan being in the same tier as SSJ Bra is enough to prove nothing has changed.

No fan manga quote supports Goku being stronger than Gohan as of now. However the gap between them hasn't been stated so Goku may not be several times weaker as how some people (including me) place him. Maybe he is a little weaker or maybe a few times (according to the tier list he was in SSJ3 Gotenks league bullshit). All we know is that he is weaker according to Goku's bra quote and Gohan's spot on the tier list. I will believe it when I see it.

But hey Goku got a boost to be considered in Gotenks league still bullshit.

Goku and vegeta stating they need to Go full power means something since Gohan and Uub are also helping keep the barrier up against Buu.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:27 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote: All that says is Salagir started with the intent that Gohan and Bra were stronger. It now looks like Goku is ahead of Gohan.
Nothing in the fan manga says things have changed. Goku's Bra statement and Gohan being in the same tier as SSJ Bra is enough to prove nothing has changed.

No fan manga quote supports Goku being stronger than Gohan as of now. However the gap between them hasn't been stated so Goku may not be several times weaker as how some people (including me) place him. Maybe he is a little weaker or maybe a few times (according to the tier list he was in SSJ3 Gotenks league bullshit). All we know is that he is weaker according to Goku's bra quote and Gohan's spot on the tier list. I will believe it when I see it.

But hey Goku got a boost to be considered in Gotenks league still bullshit.
Goku and vegeta stating they need to Go full power means something since Gohan and Uub are also helping keep the barrier up against Buu.

That's because they need more power to sustain the barrier. Any more power can help. Perhaps it can turn into proof for Goku, but as of now we still have nothing but something that might suggest it (even though that would completely ignore Goku's earlier statement and the tier listing).

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:32 am

I was also guessing telekinesis, but then Boo really shouldn't be surprised. Boo's shock has me feeling like Gast is about to get wanked hard.

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:32 am

dbzfan7 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote: All that says is Salagir started with the intent that Gohan and Bra were stronger. It now looks like Goku is ahead of Gohan.
Nothing in the fan manga says things have changed. Goku's Bra statement and Gohan being in the same tier as SSJ Bra is enough to prove nothing has changed.

No fan manga quote supports Goku being stronger than Gohan as of now. However the gap between them hasn't been stated so Goku may not be several times weaker as how some people (including me) place him. Maybe he is a little weaker or maybe a few times (according to the tier list he was in SSJ3 Gotenks league bullshit). All we know is that he is weaker according to Goku's bra quote and Gohan's spot on the tier list. I will believe it when I see it.

But hey Goku got a boost to be considered in Gotenks league still bullshit.
Goku and vegeta stating they need to Go full power means something since Gohan and Uub are also helping keep the barrier up against Buu.

That's because they need more power to sustain the barrier. Any more power can help. Perhaps it can turn into proof for Goku, but as of now we still have nothing but something that might suggest it (even though that would completely ignore Goku's earlier statement and the tier listing).

They aren't telling Goten and Trunks to fuse though? Salagir probable wouldn't answer but I think Goku has been retcon to being stronger than Gohan.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:35 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:They aren't telling Goten and Trunks to fuse though? Salagir probable wouldn't answer but I think Goku has been retcon to being stronger than Gohan.

See there is an actual point. I'm surprised the idea never came up. Even so I still don't have a reason to believe in a retcon after the quote from Bra wasn't that long ago. We'll just have to wait on Salagir's word then.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:41 am

Saiga wrote:I was also guessing telekinesis, but then Boo really shouldn't be surprised. Boo's shock has me feeling like Gast is about to get wanked hard.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THOOOOSE.

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