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FoolsGil · Post by **FoolsGil** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:58 am

I knew Gast was as strong as Vegetto. Big Green's been underestimated all series, but now he's going to put a hurting on Zen.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:09 am

Kiss already.

Pantalones · Post by **Pantalones** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:00 pm

Why are people suddenly acting all surprised or calling "bullshit" on Gast being strong enough to stand up to Buu?

The last time I checked, most people seemed to be guessing that Gast (or "Super/Ultra/etc. Namek" back before we knew his name) was one of the top-level fighters in the entire tournament, along with Buu and Vegetto (and XXI, back when everyone guessed he was going to be some not-yet-revealed super-powerful mystery villain rather than a wizard with dimension-based magic.)

Plus, it's known that he defeated (some form of) Buu in his own universe, so him being strong enough to keep away a small section of a sea of Buu-goo that's also grabbing dozens of other characters on Cell/Buu levels at the same time (not even focusing on Gast or anything) isn't surprising at all...

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:25 pm

Pantalones wrote:Why are people suddenly acting all surprised or calling "bullshit" on Gast being strong enough to stand up to Buu?

I agree. I mean, look how strong Piccolo got after merging with someone, and after the merging, how huge gains he had after training. Nail merged with most of the Namekian population, and probably trained for 32 years. It's only natural for him to be insanely strong.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:27 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Pantalones wrote:Why are people suddenly acting all surprised or calling "bullshit" on Gast being strong enough to stand up to Buu?
I agree. I mean, look how strong Piccolo got after merging with someone, and after the merging, how huge gains he had after training. Nail merged with most of the Namekian population, and probably trained for 32 years. It's only natural for him to be insanely strong.

It does make me wonder why he didn't just use an alternate universe Piccolo, though. Maybe fans would find that more palatable?

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:35 pm

Pantalones wrote:Why are people suddenly acting all surprised or calling "bullshit" on Gast being strong enough to stand up to Buu?

The last time I checked, most people seemed to be guessing that Gast (or "Super/Ultra/etc. Namek" back before we knew his name) was one of the top-level fighters in the entire tournament, along with Buu and Vegetto (and XXI, back when everyone guessed he was going to be some not-yet-revealed super-powerful mystery villain rather than a wizard with dimension-based magic.)

Plus, it's known that he defeated (some form of) Buu in his own universe, so him being strong enough to keep away a small section of a sea of Buu-goo that's also grabbing dozens of other characters on Cell/Buu levels at the same time (not even focusing on Gast or anything) isn't surprising at all...

I've always called Gast walking bullshit. I just think him apparently being stronger than Ultimate Gohan is extra bullshit-y.

Storm101 · Post by **Storm101** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:51 pm

Goku never explicitly stated that Bra was stronger, it was phrased as a question. We can't infer much from that quote because he could mean any number of things, and knowing DBM's history of terrible translations it could very well be phrased differently in French. It's also possible that Bra was temporarily stronger than usual because of her rage.

And I find it silly that the novelization is being disregarded, it's just as canon as the manga. If you're going to disregard it then this debate is pointless.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:14 pm

Storm101 wrote:And I find it silly that the novelization is being disregarded, it's just as canon as the manga. If you're going to disregard it then this debate is pointless.

I don't really care about this debate, but I'm not sure if the various novels/fics can be canon?

Salagir stated he changed some things between the text and drawn version of the recent Buu Arc special in Trunks timeline. So even though the text version is part of the project, the drawn version is part of the comic itself...which takes precedence? will similar incidents happen down the line with other specials? Etc.

Storm101 · Post by **Storm101** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:18 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Storm101 wrote:And I find it silly that the novelization is being disregarded, it's just as canon as the manga. If you're going to disregard it then this debate is pointless.
I don't really care about this debate, but I'm not sure if the various novels/fics can be canon?

Salagir stated he changed some things between the text and drawn version of the recent Buu Arc special in Trunks timeline. So even though the text version is part of the project, the drawn version is part of the comic itself...which takes precedence? will similar incidents happen down the line with other specials? Etc.

I don't see any reason why a major detail such as this would be different between the two. If that's the case, then that is incredibly stupid.

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:21 pm

Bra got some serious bulge in that last panel.

Also, lol at the Buffy Vampire Slayer font.

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:33 pm

"This novelization is verified as canon by Salagir, who also included additions of his own. These have not been seen in the manga, and therefore make this story a true annex to the comic!"

From the novel.

Ssj3 Goku> Ultimate Gohan I guess.

Storm101 · Post by **Storm101** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:42 pm

I looked to see what Goku's quote about Bra was in the novelization: http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en ... er-58.html

“Incredible? Is she stronger than us, too?” wondered Goku.

Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan beside them were also surprised. The energy of Bra’s Super Saiyan transformation was greater than theirs had ever been at the first level. How long could she maintain this kind of power? Was it just a temporary spike when she first transformed – the result of anger that would only last a few seconds?

Not sure what to make of that.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:45 pm

Gast has stated before (after seeing Vegetto) that "strength is nothing". That could mean that he has very strong magic or very special techniques besides being very strong. Also the way he said it made it seem (to me) that Vegetto is stronger than him but that Gast is nonetheless confident that he could beat him.

Which would make sense... Namekians are deeply magical and ingenious beings and Gast is a concentrated fusion of all the Namekians of his universe. The Dragons Balls are able to accomplish amazing things and they basically use the power of their creators to do those things, which is why they can't accomplish anything that surpasses the power of their creators.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:49 pm

Storm101 wrote:I looked to see what Goku's quote about Bra was in the novelization: http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en ... er-58.html

“Incredible? Is she stronger than us, too?” wondered Goku.

Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan beside them were also surprised. The energy of Bra’s Super Saiyan transformation was greater than theirs had ever been at the first level. How long could she maintain this kind of power? Was it just a temporary spike when she first transformed – the result of anger that would only last a few seconds?

Not sure what to make of that.

Well, the way that paragraph is written says that Piccolo, at one time, was a Super Saiyan

An error in translation? Or sloppy writing?

Regardless, if Salagir made his tier list, and it has Bra stronger than Goku, and that's what's implied in his work, then that's how it is unless Salagir says otherwise.

miguelnuva1 wrote:"This novelization is verified as canon by Salagir, who also included additions of his own. These have not been seen in the manga, and therefore make this story a true annex to the comic!"

From the novel.

Ssj3 Goku> Ultimate Gohan I guess.

"And Toryama said GT was canon!"
Unless you have Salagir saying that the novel is true to his work, then it doesn't really matter what the writers of the novel say.

rereboy wrote:Gast has stated before (after seeing Vegetto) that "strength is nothing". That could mean that he has very strong magic or very special techniques besides being very strong. Also the way he said it made it seem (to me) that Vegetto is stronger than him but that Gast is nonetheless confident that he could beat him.

What's more, just a few pages ago, Vegetto was contemplating bringing Gast to fight against him. So he's obviously a big deal.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:52 pm

What's more, just a few pages ago, Vegetto was contemplating bringing Gast to fight against him. So he's obviously a big deal.

He said the same thing about Cell...

Storm101 · Post by **Storm101** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:53 pm

Regardless, if Salagir made his tier list, and it has Bra stronger than Goku, and that's what's implied in his work, then that's how it is unless Salagir says otherwise.

Unless they really do have new forms, and they're not on the tier list because Salagir doesn't want them revealed yet.

"And Toryama said GT was canon!"
Unless you have Salagir saying that the novel is true to his work, then it doesn't really matter what the writers of the novel say.

lol I think you guys are being too picky about this. It's hosted on Salagir's site, if that statement wasn't true it wouldn't be there. But I'm sure Salagir will post here eventually and clear things up.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:53 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
What's more, just a few pages ago, Vegetto was contemplating bringing Gast to fight against him. So he's obviously a big deal.
He said the same thing about Cell...

Maybe Cell's a big deal too. Has he done anything to indicate he's not?

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:25 pm

Gast seems to be a wild card so anything goes (cept he is clearly below SSJ3 Vegetto as he described it as an infinite strength). The same can be said for Cell but who knows.

As for the whole debate before hand we'll just have to wait for Salagir. Even though he has a tier list and stated Goku and Vegeta barely got any stronger and that the surprises from them aren't power level related. People just can't stand Goku being not that special.

Storm101 · Post by **Storm101** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:27 pm

and that the surprises from them aren't power level related

I don't recall this ever being said.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:34 pm

Storm101 wrote:
and that the surprises from them aren't power level related
I don't recall this ever being said.

When asked about Goku's relevance since Vegetto is so powerful

"Oh don't worry, they [Goku and Vegeta] will amaze you, but it won't be a mere matter of power level."

Though this quote could be a forgery as someone stated it on the dbm page which lead to a wikia.

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