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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:25 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And the what-ifs that haven't made it so far are:
Oozaru King Vegeta
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DNA wrote:
Saiga wrote:Come to think of it, I might actually warm up to this version more. Without the departure from the typical fusion style, adult Gotenks would just look like everyone would imagine he would, and although it was lame that GT didn't show him at all it's not going to be such a big deal seeing him years down the track because of how predictable his design would be. So... at least this way they actually made it something new.

And since heroes has shit like SS3 Future Gohan anyway, this actually bothers me less. :lol:
True, I'm with you on that camp. At least they bothered making him look different.
It's overly stupid to change established traits for something that has been previously established. This change of fusion design for the sake of not making him predictable actually irritates me more than anything else Heroes has done.
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by Kaboom » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:42 am

While it's kind of cool to finally officially see adult Gotenks in some form, I also have to scratch my head at the outfit design choices. It's an established thing that all Dance-born Fusions just end up with the Metamoran outfit, with only slight variations in color scheme if anything. Why change that?
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:04 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Saiga wrote:Does Majin Piccolo from SSW2 count? Or Z Sword Ultimate Gohan from Super DBZ?
Oh yeah, I forgot some:

Chi-Chi (adult with Kinto'un, Nyoi-bo, and Basho-sen)
Ultimate Gohan (with Z-Sword & Piccolo's Sword)
Mecha Freeza (upgraded)
Piccolo (merged with Daimao)
Kaio-ken Kuririn
Majin Piccolo*
Majin Coola*
Majin Broli*
Evil Boo (Coola & Broli absorbed)*
Multiple Majin Boos**
Pure Boo (Babidi, Coola, and Broli absorbed)**
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks
Super Saiyan 2 Future Gohan
Ultimate Future Gohan


*Their designs didn't change at all.
**After Evil Boo absorbed Coola & Broli, Boo absorbed Babidi, which made him split into multiple Majin Boos (he split into multiple Evil, Gotenks absorbed, and Gohan absorbed Boos). After Goku & co. defeated some of them, they all merged into one Boo: Pure Boo. He was the same Pure Boo that we saw in the manga, but he was now even stronger.
DNA wrote:And DBZGTKOSDH, you forgot Ozaru Selypa.
I didn't. We saw her in the TV Special, along with the whole team.
There is also the "complete" Piccolo from SSW1. Where he uses the Dragon Balls to wish back King Piccolo and fuses with him, becoming as strong as Super Buu.
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:15 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Piccolo (merged with Daimao)
There is also the "complete" Piccolo from SSW1. Where he uses the Dragon Balls to wish back King Piccolo and fuses with him, becoming as strong as Super Buu.
Um...
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:21 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Piccolo (merged with Daimao)
There is also the "complete" Piccolo from SSW1. Where he uses the Dragon Balls to wish back King Piccolo and fuses with him, becoming as strong as Super Buu.
Um...
Oops. My bad. :lol:
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by DNA » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:21 pm

You might not be aware that your little exchange was made much funnier by your avatars.

By the way, what could this decision mean? They decided to reveal a new character in a completely different way and a long time before the next set even becomes relevant. Odd... Could this mean Gotenks will not be the secret and will instead just be there?

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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:37 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And the what-ifs that haven't made it so far are:
Oozaru King Vegeta
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Oh yeah, right. :oops:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:54 pm

DNA wrote:By the way, what could this decision mean? They decided to reveal a new character in a completely different way and a long time before the next set even becomes relevant. Odd... Could this mean Gotenks will not be the secret and will instead just be there?
Not really all that different. The Super 17 (Jinzoningen Absorption) was revealed as a promo for this month's V-Jump issue, so I don't see what is so different about having Gotenks as part of next months. We've already had four new ones introduced during GM9's run (SS3 Future Gohan, SS3 Future Trunks, and both the Jinzoningen and Cell absorptions for Super 17), with only one of them being the SEC. why not toss in another one?

BTW, next month's V-Jump has 3 Heroes cards. I'm hoping they go all out with new crap instead of just three GT Gotenks forms cards; toss in SS3 GT Goten, SS Pan, and GT Gotenks with the "?" transformation ability to allow us to have all three forms on one card.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:56 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:BTW, next month's V-Jump has 3 Heroes cards. I'm hoping they go all out with new crap instead of just three GT Gotenks forms cards; toss in SS3 GT Goten, SS Pan, and GT Gotenks with the "?" transformation ability to allow us to have all three forms on one card.
I think you are asking for too much, aren't you? :P
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:14 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I think you are asking for too much, aren't you? :P
Perhaps, but if they want to give us five new forms/characters (maybe seven if Gotenks has access to his transformations right off the bat) within one card set, then why not truly swing for the stars? I'm allowed to dream. :P
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by hulkty » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:43 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, let's see again all the what-ifs we have so far in DBH:
  • Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta
  • Super Saiyan 3 GT Vegeta
  • Super Saiyan 3 Broli
  • Super Saiyan 3 Trunks
  • Super Saiyan 3 GT Trunks
  • Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta
  • Super Saiyan 3 Future Trunks
  • Super Saiyan 3 Future Gohan
  • Gotan - WHAT??? where?
  • Janenba-Baby
  • Artificial Human Absorption Super #17 What??? where?
  • Cell Absorbed Super #17
  • GT Gotenks
And the what-ifs that haven't made it so far are:
  • Kuririn Absorbed Cell
  • Yamhan
  • Yamcha & Tenshinhan Absorbed Boo
  • Freeza Absorbed Boo
  • Cell Absorbed Boo
  • Vegeta Absorbed Boo
  • Majin Freeza
  • Majin Cell
  • Oozaru Nappa
  • Oozaru Raditz
  • Oozaru Tullece
  • Oozaru King Vegeta

Did I miss anything?

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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by DNA » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:56 pm

And what exactly was the point of that post hulkty?

I could see them add all forms of Gotenks in one go and possibly... *chokes* Goten Super Saiyan 3... -__-
As much as I would love to see it, I don't think we are getting Pan Super Saiyan that easily.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:59 pm

hulkty wrote:Gotan - WHAT??? where?
Artificial Human Absorption Super #17 What??? where?
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Post by JeffJarrett » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:48 pm

The Artificial Human Absorption Super #17 isn't Super 17 absorbing Android 18 or any other Android, it's Super 17 after using his Android ability to absorb ki in order to become stronger. Artificial Human Absorption = Android ability to absorb energy, the way Gero and Android 19 are able to.

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Post by Thanos » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:52 pm

Kaboom wrote:While it's kind of cool to finally officially see adult Gotenks in some form, I also have to scratch my head at the outfit design choices. It's an established thing that all Dance-born Fusions just end up with the Metamoran outfit, with only slight variations in color scheme if anything. Why change that?
The only thing I can think of is to differentiate him further from Gogeta beyond just the tufts of purple hair. :eh:
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JeffJarrett wrote:The Artificial Human Absorption Super #17 isn't Super 17 absorbing Android 18 or any other Android, it's Super 17 after using his Android ability to absorb ki in order to become stronger. Artificial Human Absorption = Android ability to absorb energy, the way Gero and Android 19 are able to.
You can say that all you want, but that's not what the cards seem to imply. Gero has the energy adsorption ability in the game, and it's just called パワードレイン / Power Drain. For both of Super 17's forms, they share the same naming scheme; so I guess going by your logic, he didn't actually absorb Cell, but just absorbed energy the same way Cell does...?

超17号 (セル吸収) - Chō 17-gō (Seru kyūshū) - Super 17 ( Cell absorption)
超17号 (人造人間吸収) - Chō 17-gō (Jinzōningnen kyūshū) - Super 17 (Artificial Human absorption)
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Post by JeffJarrett » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:12 pm

Maybe he has just absorbed Cell's energy. If it wasn't the case, how would he had absorbed Cell's whole body? He has no tail, and he isn't a Majin.
And, contrary to the Cell absorbed form, Super 17 (Artificial Human absorption) is a form actually shown in GT:

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JeffJarrett wrote:Maybe he has just absorbed Cell's energy. If it wasn't the case, how would he had absorbed Cell's whole body?
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes

Post by DNA » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:27 pm

JeffJarrett wrote:Maybe he has just absorbed Cell's energy. If it wasn't the case, how would he had absorbed Cell's whole body? He has no tail, and he isn't a Majin.
And, contrary to the Cell absorbed form, Super 17 (Artificial Human absorption) is a form actually shown in GT
I would argue that that's hardly a form, just a state he got from absorbing too much energy. That would be like claiming that Yakon had another form before exploding from absorbing too much energy. But I digress.

As for absorbing, please tell me how both #17's merged? And if he simply absorbed Cell's energy, how did he get his features?
All this has been discussed already. My theory is simple and I said it before, Super #17 has shown many capabilities from past models of Artificial Humans, he's also got #13's ability to absorb other Artificial Humans, it just wasn't shown in the series. It makes sense and it applies here.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:28 pm

JeffJarrett wrote:Maybe he has just absorbed Cell's energy. If it wasn't the case, how would he had absorbed Cell's whole body? He has no tail, and he isn't a Majin.
And, contrary to the Cell absorbed form, Super 17 (Artificial Human absorption) is a form actually shown in GT:
Even though we never see Super 17 actually absorb anything beside energy in GT, the card says "Cell absorption" and not "Cell's energy absorbed". Unless shown otherwise, we should take what we know at face value. as for how, machine mutant ability reminiscent of of the guys on M2? Maybe his energy sucker nodules do the same thing as the imperfect Cell's tail did to the poor bastard in Ginger Town? An advancement on 13's integration ability? Though I agree that the how is important to know, I think the details of how are less important than the established fact that this is now an ability he has.

Also, I'd argue they aren't the same thing. What we see in GT isn't really a form; Super 17 doesn't stay buffed up forever after he absorbs energy, it's just something that briefly happens during the absorption process and then he returns to normal afterward. The game's card artwork and the model for the form looks bigger in terms of muscle mass as well as having damage he never receives in the show. To me, they are trying to imply that by absorbing one of the Jinzoningen or Cell, he becomes so buff that his own clothing rips, which was never the case in the series, and he stays that way permenently.
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