Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon" Set

[G1Ravage]

Movie 1 and 2 are the edited versions as seen on Toonami. But the only changes are Rock the Dragon replacing Cha-La, and the removal of lines involving swearing. The rest is unaltered. Movie 3 is the original, edited-for-TV version with the Skuki Levy score.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Finally picked up my set, and I watched the first episode. There were a LOT of references to "death" and "killing" in those first few episodes. In an ironic way, this edited set contains the most uncut version of the Ocean dub ever released on DVD (outside of the three movies).

Oooooh......that's interesting! So this is the "kinda/sorta/not really"-uncut version of those first few episodes before they went back and removed the references to death? Well, that has never been on DVD before (except for a soundbyte or two here and there), so technically, this set apparently does contain something new.

[G1Ravage]

Update: Movie 3 starts off with the "Stand by for Dragon Ball Z" segment, so it IS included in this set.

Movie 3 is presented in full movie format, not the episodic format common during the 'dark days' of the 53-repeat.

[bkev]

Am I the only person who thinks the Pioneer DVD screens provided on the previous page actually look better? I've seen less-compressed bootlegs. I'm going to assume that has to do with the source material they had on hand more than anything else, but... yech. This might even be down to the fact that the color range is less compressed and thus crushed blacks etc. don't hide the compression inherent in the source. Pure conjecture on my part, though.

Also, keep in mind my monitor probably isn't calibrated and that may skew my perspective.

Spoiler:

edit: reposted images from superrayman3 and Metalwario64 with spoiler tag for easy access so people don't have to go page flipping to see what I was referring to.

[penguintruth]

No "STAND BY FOR DRAGON BALL Z"?

No sale!

[kei17]

Here are screenshots from Madman's release:

Spoiler:

[Metalwario64]

Yeah, I think Madman and the UUEs look better than the RtD set. Although, I've noticed that the RtD images were taken with VLC... I wonder if that has anything to do with it?

Even though the blacks are crushed, there's some really weird smearing around the frame, and it kind of looks like it's out of focus. The Madman and UUE DVDs aren't perfect, but they look consistent all around and are pretty sharp.

[b_boult]

Yeah, the Madman colours, darkness and encoding are the closest approximation to how I remember seeing the show all those years ago. Furthermore, the interlacing on the collector's set looks dire. I don't think I'll be bothering with this one after all...

[superrayman3]

Am I the only person who thinks the Pioneer DVD screens provided on the previous page actually look better? I've seen less-compressed bootlegs. I'm going to assume that has to do with the source material they had on hand more than anything else, but... yech. This might even be down to the fact that the color range is less compressed and thus crushed blacks etc. don't hide the compression inherent in the source. Pure conjecture on my part, though.

Also, keep in mind my monitor probably isn't calibrated and that may skew my perspective.

Spoiler:

edit: reposted images from superrayman3 and Metalwario64 with spoiler tag for easy access so people don't have to go page flipping to see what I was referring to.

Personally I like the Rock the Dragon edition DVD screen better, TBCH the Pioneer DVD has too much saturation and some image is lost because of it, for example if you look at Radit's eyebrow behind the scouter in the Pioneer DVD shot the right side of the eyebrow is completely black and you can only see the left half of the eyebrow, on the Rock the Dragon DVD shot however when you look at the same area you can actually see both the left and right halves of the eyebrow.

Here are screenshots from Madman's release:

Spoiler:

Those Madman shots are a slight improvement over the Pioneer singles at least with the Madman DVD's the colors aren't as saturated (you can actually see Readitz's entire eyebrow to a degree but some image is still lost though not as much) but I'd still go with the RTD DVD's because they have the most detail (compare Raditz's eyebrow between the 3 versions and you'll see that the RTD version has the most detail out of the 3)

While we're on the subject of footage I took a look at the Gohan's tears being erased scene in episode 2, and I thought it'd be interesting to explain what FUNi actually did to achieve that effect, what they did for this scene was take and paint away Gohan's tears and parts where the tears were showing in one frame, then what they did was a form of frame manipulation by copying that area of that single frame and overlapped it with the actual footage to give the illusion that the tears were never there, but the job is sub par at best because the alignment is noticeably off at times, the colors of the repainted parts are slightly off, and some of the painted parts are notably inferior in quality to the actual footage:

Look at the lines on Raditz's right shoulder part of his Armour, see how crooked they look compared to the more smooth lines on the left shoulder, and look at the edges of Gohan's eyes where the tears are supposed to be, can you see the color difference?

[G1Ravage]

The footage on the Rock the Dragon set looks fine to me. The movies in particular look nice, too.

[ABED]

What's on what discs? Are all the movies on disc 9, etc.?

[G1Ravage]

What's on what discs? Are all the movies on disc 9, etc.?

Each disc has seven episodes, except for the final episode disc, which has five. The last disc has all three movies.

Note: There are NO subtitles or audio options of any kind.

[ABED]

What's on what discs? Are all the movies on disc 9, etc.?

Each disc has seven episodes, except for the final episode disc, which has five. The last disc has all three movies.

Note: There are NO subtitles or audio options of any kind.

Thanks

[superrayman3]

What's on what discs? Are all the movies on disc 9, etc.?

Each disc has seven episodes, except for the final episode disc, which has five. The last disc has all three movies.

Actually only discs 1-4 have 7 episodes, while discs 5-8 have 6, and disc 9 contains all 3 DBZ movies it's split up like this:

Disc 1 Ep: 1-7
Disc 2 Ep: 8-14
Disc 3 Ep; 15-21
Disc 4 Ep: 22-28
Disc 5 Ep: 29-35
Disc 6 Ep: 36-41
Disc 7 Ep: 42-47
Disc 8 Ep: 48-53
Disc 9: Movie: 1: Dead Zone, Movie 2: The World's Strongest, Movie 3: Tree of Might

[ABED]

It seems stupid to not have the discs split up by arc. Discs 1-4 should've been episodes 1-26.

[superrayman3]

It seems stupid to not have the discs split up by arc. Discs 1-4 should've been episodes 1-26.

In a way the kinda are disc 1-4 contains the entire Saiyan/Vegeta arc and the fist 2 episodes of the Namek arc while discs 5-8 contain the rest of the Namek arc

[ABED]

It seems stupid to not have the discs split up by arc. Discs 1-4 should've been episodes 1-26.

In a way the kinda are disc 1-4 contains the entire Saiyan/Vegeta arc and the fist 2 episodes of the Namek arc while discs 5-8 contain the rest of the Namek arc

I guess, but I don't see the point in putting those two episodes on disc 4. Maybe it's just the anal retentive in me that I care about what episodes go on what discs.

[Kamiccolo9]

It seems stupid to not have the discs split up by arc. Discs 1-4 should've been episodes 1-26.

In a way the kinda are disc 1-4 contains the entire Saiyan/Vegeta arc and the fist 2 episodes of the Namek arc while discs 5-8 contain the rest of the Namek arc

I guess, but I don't see the point in putting those two episodes on disc 4. Maybe it's just the anal retentive in me that I care about what episodes go on what discs.

Didn't the Orange Bricks do the same thing with those two episodes? Putting them with the Saiyan arc at the end of "Season 1?"

[ABED]

Didn't the Orange Bricks do the same thing with those two episodes? Putting them with the Saiyan arc at the end of "Season 1?"

Those two Ocean dub episodes were made from 4 episodes. Season 1 consisted of episodes 1-39, which made little sense. Episode 35 was a much more logical end point. The only reason I can think that they included those episodes is because of how the ocean dub singles included those episodes with the final episode of the Vegeta arc.

[kei17]

How about recaps and next episode previews? Are they all included like Madman's DVDs?