Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

[MDSTSSJ]

... Refers to Gohan as having “fantastic power surpassing even Super Saiyan 3” following the Elder Kaioshin’s power-up. From (I think) DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02, an anime guidebook

Gohan is the strongest in the Boo´s arc.

Says Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan 2. From the third TV Animation daizenshuu.

Obviously.

Refers to Super Saiyan 3 as “the Super Saiyan that can appropriately be called strongest”. From the third TV Animation daizenshuu.

SSJ3 is the strongest of all Super Saiyan transformations.

Describes the pure Boo as having the smallest and most childlike body out of all the Boos, but also the “most formidable power and ability”. From (I think) DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02.

Yes, Pure Boo is strong but not the stronger one because Super Boo, Gotenks Boo, Gohan Boo, Buff Boo are fused beings with very stronger characters and non of them can be weakened by Dai Kaio.

[NANLIT]

I believe Goku could surpass Gohan and Gotenks in time, if only because of a combination of Goku training all the time and Gohan, Trunks, and Goten remaining stagnant due to lack of training. As demonstrated in the Cell saga (and the BOG movie), Goku can teleport to the afterlife even if he's alive so he can continue to train there. Whether or not the 10 years was enough time to surpass them, I do not know. But if not, training with Oob would get him over the hump I believe.

Personally, it doesn't really matter to me. I still prefer Goku as the main character over Gohan and Gotenks (irregardless of power rankings) because, unlike them, he continues to train all the time even in peace time. That's the key difference between them that can potentially make Goku the strongest again eventually (or at the least, narrow the gap).

[TheGmGoken]

Goku being weaker than himself is a paradox reserved for GT

Don't tell that to Toei. They'll shit themselves. Through I do think Goku lost power NOT a lot of power to make it noticeable.

[dbzfan7]

I believe Goku could surpass Gohan and Gotenks in time, if only because of a combination of Goku training all the time and Gohan, Trunks, and Goten remaining stagnant due to lack of training. As demonstrated in the Cell saga (and the BOG movie), Goku can teleport to the afterlife even if he's alive so he can continue to train there. Whether or not the 10 years was enough time to surpass them, I do not know. But if not, training with Oob would get him over the hump I believe.

Personally, it doesn't really matter to me. I still prefer Goku as the main character over Gohan and Gotenks (irregardless of power rankings) because, unlike them, he continues to train all the time even in peace time. That's the key difference between them that can potentially make Goku the strongest again eventually (or at the least, narrow the gap).

If Oob tapped into his full power and trained with Goku, then it's possible for him to surpass the others. Though Goku was stated to have nearly maxed out in BOG so maybe not.

[MDSTSSJ]

So, there's really nothing to support that Goku is stronger than Gohan or Gotenks at the end of the series. MAYBE he got stronger RIGHT at the end seeing it was 10 years after Buu, but there's nothing to support that.

And there nothing to support the opposite!

Ten years have passed and Goku was seen ( BoG ) training in the Otherworld and not in normal conditions as many thought. At the very end of the series, Kakarotto fly with Oob to train together and he says that he will become stronger.

[Dr. Machismo]

And there nothing to support the opposite!

Guidebooks do.

[Kamiccolo9]

And there nothing to support the opposite!

Guidebooks do.

Quotes please?

[Dr. Machismo]

And there nothing to support the opposite!

Guidebooks do.

Quotes please?

They say Gohan is the strongest character at the end of the manga.

[Axiom]

Right, now you should act tough on everyone after you specifically singled me out, for what was it, like 3 weeks? And then you had the audacity to post about it on your twitter. Please, the time to pretend to be pleasant is over.

Uh, let's make a short list here...

• 1) No, the comment to everyone else was warranted and fair, and is something which (sadly) happens pretty often. Your bad attitude is the prime offender, but other people goading you isn't appropriate either.
  
  2) You were banned for openly flaming and goading other members. You apparently didn't learn your lesson.
  
  3) I looked up what I posted about on Twitter that day, and while I don't owe you any explanation, I will choose to say that it wasn't about you specifically. You are not a victim of bias or singling out. I came, I saw shenanigans, I took action.
  
  4) The time to be pleasant (or at least pretend to be) is always. Take a look at the list of rules which you agreed to upon signing up for this forum, #4 in particular. If you continue to act hostile towards your peers, then further warnings and bans will happen. Consider this explanation and verbal warning one more bonus freebie.

I think you mean Goku being weaker than Gotenks and Gohan. Goku being weaker than himself is a paradox reserved for GT

...Yes. Yes, I did. Thanks.

Action against me specifically for 3 weeks, but it's totally fair because I made one rude comment. Never mind the other troll who got to roam around with a mere slap on the wrist. I would say I'm a decent, fairly respectful guy and until now I respected your position and how you handled it. While I'll do my best not to be rude to you and other members here, I'm not going to softball my comments towards any of you.

Still working on grabbing that info for the rest of you.

[Kamiccolo9]

They say Gohan is the strongest character at the end of the manga.

No they don't.
It's obvious, but nothing ever says it outright, aside from the Battle of Gods bio, which says that Gohan is stronger than pure Saiyans. To my knowledge, no guidebook has ever given blatant Buu Arc "character x is stronger than character y" statements.

[dbzfan7]

They say Gohan is the strongest character at the end of the manga.

No they don't.
It's obvious, but nothing ever says it outright, aside from the Battle of Gods bio, which says that Gohan is stronger than pure Saiyans. To my knowledge, no guidebook has ever given blatant Buu Arc "character x is stronger than character y" statements.

Gohan is stronger than pure saiyans is pretty much the only blatant quote I know. There really is nothing else like it in any other guide book except hints and tidbits that aren't blatant answers.

[MDSTSSJ]

Toriyama said that Goku at the very end of the series is weaker than Goku in BOG, and he's still much weaker than Gohan there. So no, Goku was never the strongest; he hasn't been the strongest since Super Buu formed, possibly earlier if you believe Goku himself.

Make any sense Random! I´m sorry but Toriyama does not know what it says. How "end of the series" Kakarotto is weaker than BoG? He never stop his training.

[Draken]

Toriyama said that Goku at the very end of the series is weaker than Goku in BOG, and he's still much weaker than Gohan there. So no, Goku was never the strongest; he hasn't been the strongest since Super Buu formed, possibly earlier if you believe Goku himself.

Make any sense Random! I´m sorry but Toriyama does not know what it says. How "end of the series" Kakarotto is weaker than BoG? He never stop his training.

Hit his limit, hit his peak, begin to decline with age. Just because you never stop training doesn't mean you never stop getting stronger/better/faster. That's like saying a 90 year old man will have the same fitness and speed as he did 60 years ago.

[TheGmGoken]

Question. He said everyone was maxed out correct? Or at least implied it. Does that mean Goten and Trunks can't get stronger. If that's the case then they got strong way to fast then xD. But seriously. Before that quote was posted. I seriously doubt Goku got that much stronger than his Boo arc self. As he doesn't have anywhere GOOD to train at. Other world most likely got easily. After that quote was posted. It pretty much wraps this up.

[MDSTSSJ]

Toriyama said that Goku at the very end of the series is weaker than Goku in BOG, and he's still much weaker than Gohan there. So no, Goku was never the strongest; he hasn't been the strongest since Super Buu formed, possibly earlier if you believe Goku himself.

Make any sense Random! I´m sorry but Toriyama does not know what it says. How "end of the series" Kakarotto is weaker than BoG? He never stop his training.

Hit his limit, hit his peak, begin to decline with age. Just because you never stop training doesn't mean you never stop getting stronger/better/faster. That's like saying a 90 year old man will have the same fitness and speed as he did 60 years ago.

Mmm stil no make sense! Goku is not old. "Even about five years after Battle of Gods, in the manga's epilogue, Goku's still not out of his "prime" yet. Neither is Vegeta, who after all of Goku's time spent dead is almost 10 years ahead of Goku in terms of physical aging. Heck, the last thing Goku does as he's flying off with Oob in the final chapter is brazenly declare that he's going to keep getting stronger"

Goku have an immeasurable power according to Birusu!!

[dbzfan7]

Question. He said everyone was maxed out correct? Or at least implied it. Does that mean Goten and Trunks can't get stronger. If that's the case then they got strong way to fast then xD. But seriously. Before that quote was posted. I seriously doubt Goku got that much stronger than his Boo arc self. As he doesn't have anywhere GOOD to train at. Other world most likely got easily. After that quote was posted. It pretty much wraps this up.

Well Goten and Trunks don't train anymore if I recall. So they can get stronger, it's just that by the end of the manga they slack off like Gohan did.

[MDSTSSJ]

Question. He said everyone was maxed out correct? Or at least implied it. Does that mean Goten and Trunks can't get stronger. If that's the case then they got strong way to fast then xD. But seriously. Before that quote was posted. I seriously doubt Goku got that much stronger than his Boo arc self. As he doesn't have anywhere GOOD to train at. Other world most likely got easily. After that quote was posted. It pretty much wraps this up.

Well Goten and Trunks don't train anymore if I recall. So they can get stronger, it's just that by the end of the manga they slack off like Gohan did.

Everyone maxed out in BoG´s time? Another Toriyama contradiction or half Saiyans have more dormant power than pure Saiyans is bullshit!

[Kamiccolo9]

Question. He said everyone was maxed out correct? Or at least implied it. Does that mean Goten and Trunks can't get stronger. If that's the case then they got strong way to fast then xD. But seriously. Before that quote was posted. I seriously doubt Goku got that much stronger than his Boo arc self. As he doesn't have anywhere GOOD to train at. Other world most likely got easily. After that quote was posted. It pretty much wraps this up.

Well Goten and Trunks don't train anymore if I recall. So they can get stronger, it's just that by the end of the manga they slack off like Gohan did.

Everyone maxed out in BoG´s time? Another Toriyama contradiction or half Saiyans have more dormant power than pure Saiyans is bullshit!

He didn't say "maxed out." He said that this was the time when everyone was at their strongest. Which I take to mean that he picked the place in the manga where everyone was at the strongest they were ever at in the manga. Gohan was stronger as a kid, so I don't see any problem with Goten and Trunks being stronger in the Buu Arc than they were at the 28th budokai. Goku even says that Goten has slacked off.

[dbzfan7]

Question. He said everyone was maxed out correct? Or at least implied it. Does that mean Goten and Trunks can't get stronger. If that's the case then they got strong way to fast then xD. But seriously. Before that quote was posted. I seriously doubt Goku got that much stronger than his Boo arc self. As he doesn't have anywhere GOOD to train at. Other world most likely got easily. After that quote was posted. It pretty much wraps this up.

Well Goten and Trunks don't train anymore if I recall. So they can get stronger, it's just that by the end of the manga they slack off like Gohan did.

Everyone maxed out in BoG´s time? Another Toriyama contradiction or half Saiyans have more dormant power than pure Saiyans is bullshit!

They only maxed out as they slacked off after the Boo saga.

[Dr. Machismo]

Toriyama said that Goku at the very end of the series is weaker than Goku in BOG, and he's still much weaker than Gohan there. So no, Goku was never the strongest; he hasn't been the strongest since Super Buu formed, possibly earlier if you believe Goku himself.

Make any sense Random! I´m sorry but Toriyama does not know what it says. How "end of the series" Kakarotto is weaker than BoG? He never stop his training.

Hit his limit, hit his peak, begin to decline with age. Just because you never stop training doesn't mean you never stop getting stronger/better/faster. That's like saying a 90 year old man will have the same fitness and speed as he did 60 years ago.

Saiyans stay in their prime longer though.