Future Trunks and the Namekian Dragonballs...

Sypheran · Post by **Sypheran** » Mon May 22, 2006 9:57 pm

Okay, I hear a lot of people ask why Future Trunks doesn't go to Namek and wish for Earth and everyone that died to be wished back to life... What I'm wondering is if this would even be possible? Like, isn't there a limit of how long something can be dead before it can't be wished back anymore? Wasn't it like a year or something? You can't wish someone that's dead, back to life after a year of them being dead, isn't that a rule?

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Mon May 22, 2006 10:23 pm

I've heard of the one-year-rule for wishing people back to life from people on these boards, but I'm not quite sure where in the series that idea came from...

Oh! I think it may come from when Porunga is asked to wish all those who were killed by Freeza and his men back to life, and he says he can only revive those who had been killed recently (within a year?). The thing is, this may be because they had been dead for so long, or it may be from the sheer number of victims that Freeza and his minions had killed in total. I don't quite remember the scene itself very well, so maybe someone else can tell the specifics of what Porunga said better than I can.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:25 am

The one year rule was mentioned by Shenron when they tried to revive those killed by Freeza. That is also the only time it is mentioned and, while a lot of people take it as fact period, I believe it was due entirely to the number of people being revived. We're talking BILLIONS of people, just in that one year. I mean, the Nameks were the only ones shown but there would have been hundreds of other worlds he sent attack forces to during that year, and all of them would have been revived too.

As for why Mirai Trunks doesn't go to New Namek. Well, he doesn't know where the hell it is. Remember, Goku had to go to King Kai's to find the place. Niether Gohan nor Trunks would have been able to find it, at all. So ya, impossible to go to New Namek.

Sypheran · Post by **Sypheran** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:49 am

Xyex wrote:The one year rule was mentioned by Shenron when they tried to revive those killed by Freeza. That is also the only time it is mentioned and, while a lot of people take it as fact period, I believe it was due entirely to the number of people being revived. We're talking BILLIONS of people, just in that one year. I mean, the Nameks were the only ones shown but there would have been hundreds of other worlds he sent attack forces to during that year, and all of them would have been revived too.

As for why Mirai Trunks doesn't go to New Namek. Well, he doesn't know where the hell it is. Remember, Goku had to go to King Kai's to find the place. Niether Gohan nor Trunks would have been able to find it, at all. So ya, impossible to go to New Namek.

... Bulma knew where it was... But another explination would be that if Trunks (or Bulma) had tried to get off the planet in a space ship/pod the androids probably would've immediately destroyed it.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:21 am

Sypheran wrote:
Xyex wrote:The one year rule was mentioned by Shenron when they tried to revive those killed by Freeza. That is also the only time it is mentioned and, while a lot of people take it as fact period, I believe it was due entirely to the number of people being revived. We're talking BILLIONS of people, just in that one year. I mean, the Nameks were the only ones shown but there would have been hundreds of other worlds he sent attack forces to during that year, and all of them would have been revived too.

As for why Mirai Trunks doesn't go to New Namek. Well, he doesn't know where the hell it is. Remember, Goku had to go to King Kai's to find the place. Niether Gohan nor Trunks would have been able to find it, at all. So ya, impossible to go to New Namek.
... Bulma knew where it was... But another explination would be that if Trunks (or Bulma) had tried to get off the planet in a space ship/pod the androids probably would've immediately destroyed it.

No she doesn't. The Nameks didn't tell anyone on Earth where New Namek was located. Bulma knows were Namek was, but that's nothing but space dust. Remember, the Nameks wished themselves to a new world, they didn't restore Namek and go back.

Sypheran · Post by **Sypheran** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:42 am

Xyex wrote:
Sypheran wrote:
Xyex wrote:The one year rule was mentioned by Shenron when they tried to revive those killed by Freeza. That is also the only time it is mentioned and, while a lot of people take it as fact period, I believe it was due entirely to the number of people being revived. We're talking BILLIONS of people, just in that one year. I mean, the Nameks were the only ones shown but there would have been hundreds of other worlds he sent attack forces to during that year, and all of them would have been revived too.

As for why Mirai Trunks doesn't go to New Namek. Well, he doesn't know where the hell it is. Remember, Goku had to go to King Kai's to find the place. Niether Gohan nor Trunks would have been able to find it, at all. So ya, impossible to go to New Namek.
... Bulma knew where it was... But another explination would be that if Trunks (or Bulma) had tried to get off the planet in a space ship/pod the androids probably would've immediately destroyed it.
No she doesn't. The Nameks didn't tell anyone on Earth where New Namek was located. Bulma knows were Namek was, but that's nothing but space dust. Remember, the Nameks wished themselves to a new world, they didn't restore Namek and go back.

Oh yeah! I totally forgot about that! Duh! For some reason I thought old Namek still existed in Trunks timeline... Hm... So... would there be any way of Trunks (, Bulma, or whoever) somehow getting all the people killed by the androids back to life? I know the movies aren't canon, but did Bulma go with Goku and everyone to New Namek in the Return of Cooler?

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Tue May 23, 2006 5:17 am

Sypheran wrote:Oh yeah! I totally forgot about that! Duh! For some reason I thought old Namek still existed in Trunks timeline... Hm... So... would there be any way of Trunks (, Bulma, or whoever) somehow getting all the people killed by the androids back to life? I know the movies aren't canon, but did Bulma go with Goku and everyone to New Namek in the Return of Cooler?

No, Bulma didn't go with them in movie 6. And this makes me wonder, couldn't Gohan asked Kaio for the location like Goku did back then? I mean, Gohan and Kaio did sorta talk back then, and I doubt Kaio would ignore Gohan. So, couldn't Gohan like shout; "Hey Kaio-sama, I have a question for you?" and then he would reply back in telepathy or just real loud: "What is it?" Or something like that. XD

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Tue May 23, 2006 9:26 am

Hey, if Bulma can make a time machine, surely she's capable of making a long- distance dragon radar. If that rule is true (you have to wished back within one year), then they can simply make a wish that expels that rule. By the way, is there's any remaining Saiyan technology on Earth (like a pod or something)? If so, it could easily set its course for Namek.

Also, who is the guardian of Earth at that time?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue May 23, 2006 9:34 am

The current "guardian" would've been Kami. But if the jinzoningen killed Piccolo, then Kami wouldn't be around anymore.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:02 pm

Sypheran wrote:... Bulma knew where it was... But another explination would be that if Trunks (or Bulma) had tried to get off the planet in a space ship/pod the androids probably would've immediately destroyed it.

That's what I was thinking, but now I think the main factor was that Trunks just didn't know where it was.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:24 pm

Well, if the timeline was exactly the same up to the point of Goku's death, then a simple answer would be... they didn't have a spaceship capable of making it to Namek in a short amount of time. Kami-sama's ship was destroyed on Namek, Goku's ship was left behind and destroyed in the explosion, Goku used teleportation to make it from his pod to Earth in time to fight Mecha-Freeza (presumably) so that pod was lift in space.

I just came up with that off the top of my head, so if I'm forgetting something... sorry.

_Jrinu_ · Post by **_Jrinu_** » Tue May 23, 2006 3:43 pm

Bura wrote:
Sypheran wrote:Oh yeah! I totally forgot about that! Duh! For some reason I thought old Namek still existed in Trunks timeline... Hm... So... would there be any way of Trunks (, Bulma, or whoever) somehow getting all the people killed by the androids back to life? I know the movies aren't canon, but did Bulma go with Goku and everyone to New Namek in the Return of Cooler?
No, Bulma didn't go with them in movie 6. And this makes me wonder, couldn't Gohan asked Kaio for the location like Goku did back then? I mean, Gohan and Kaio did sorta talk back then, and I doubt Kaio would ignore Gohan. So, couldn't Gohan like shout; "Hey Kaio-sama, I have a question for you?" and then he would reply back in telepathy or just real loud: "What is it?" Or something like that. XD

Well Bulma may not have gone with them to new Namek, but Oolong did, and in the Trunks TV special, we see that Oolong is clearly alive.

And as for the main focus of this topic, I don't think that rule exists (or if it does, it's more than a year) becuase after Kuririn was killed by Tambourine, it was more than a year after that when they wished him back.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue May 23, 2006 3:48 pm

Also, let's not forget that Movie 6, while unbelievably 1337, is, unfortunately, not one of the few movies fittable into even the normal DBZ timeline, much less Trunks'. Thus, we can't really use it for anything in this conversation.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue May 23, 2006 7:19 pm

We're talking about a movie that bends time around like it owns the 4th dimension. Even Anime purists can't argue it as Canon - so let's cease referencing it.

People can't just shout to Kaio-sama. He spends more time seeing how far he can pee then he does watching Earth. Heck, when Goku shows up asking about "New Namek", Kaio has no idea about what's happened on Earth in the past 3 years.

No one knew where New Namek was - no one had the telepathic capability to reach Kaio-sama - Bulma lacked the technology to find Dragon Ball's from all over the universe and to build a spaceship.

It was impossible.

ShadowAssailantX · Post by **ShadowAssailantX** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:38 am

Duo wrote:People can't just shout to Kaio-sama. He spends more time seeing how far he can pee then he does watching Earth. Heck, when Goku shows up asking about "New Namek", Kaio has no idea about what's happened on Earth in the past 3 years.

No one knew where New Namek was - no one had the telepathic capability to reach Kaio-sama - Bulma lacked the technology to find Dragon Ball's from all over the universe and to build a spaceship.

It was impossible.

It didn't happen this way, but it definitely wasn't impossible. I find it very unlikely that none of the fallen Z-senshi went out of their way to run/ fly down Snake Way and fill in their blue Lord on what was happening. They then could have contacted Bulma and her father, and given them the coordinates of the Planet where the namekians now reside. And if you think about it, Dr. Briefs did build another Ship for Vegeta to look for Goku while he was "Lost in Space". So there you go. So unless the said ship was destroyed, Dr. Briefs died, AND the blueprints were lost, it was in fact very possible for someone to reach Namek.

(I'm aware that Briefs dies somewhere in that 16 year period after Trunks is born, but I'm not sure when he dies, unless it's stated he dies in the initial Android attack. Even so, I find it hard to believe that every trace of his notes and Blueprints on the Capsule ships he built were lost. I know the Capsule Corp. building looks pretty beat up, but its lab must be pretty intact, or how would Bulma be able to create a time machine?)

Note: Checking back in the manga, Vegeta doesn't seem to have left the Earth at all, raising the question whether Dr. Briefs could have built another ship without the parts salvaged from Goku's original ship. Still, this doesn't change the fact that the Lord of Worlds could have been contacted, and then from there he could have contacted New Namek, get them to gather the Dragonballs, and made a wish or two from there. (Still couldn't bring back Son though

)

Regardless, this path was never explored, so we'll never see what could have happened from there. I don't know if Toriyama thought of this or not, but I'm glad it wasn't used. Time Traveling Mysterious Youth was the way to go.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:41 am

I like the idea that he bent the timeline enough that in his reality, Babidi killed the Nameks for their energy.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:00 pm

I'm sticking with the simple explanation that they didn't have a sweet clue where New Namek was.

DB_Fan · Post by **DB_Fan** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:06 pm

Dr. Briefs wasn't not even in the Trunks Special, so he could never built a new spaceship. He probably died of old age with his wife. Still the Ox-King who looks older than him is still living with his daughter. I like to believe that even if they knew where New Namek was, and if they had a new spaceship, they would never left the Earth with the Androids there.
Also when the Androids appeared, Trunks was just a baby, wich means that Porunga could never revive people that died years ago.

ShadowAssailantX · Post by **ShadowAssailantX** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:49 pm

DB_Fan wrote:Dr. Briefs wasn't not even in the Trunks Special, so he could never built a new spaceship. He probably died of old age with his wife.

He wasn't in the Trunks Special, which took place when Trunks was 13. He was, however, alive in the majin Buu Arc, where Trunks was 8. Therefore, assuming chaos theory didn't play a part in an untimely death in the TV Special, he was alive for at least the first 7 years of the Androids reign. If he had the means to build another spaceship, he could have.

DB_Fan wrote:Also when the Androids appeared, Trunks was just a baby, wich means that Porunga could never revive people that died years ago.

Unless you are ignoring the plot holes the one year rule creates if it is applied to every wish, then it was only meant for the one wish that could have brought back potentially hundreds of billions of people that Freeza and his men killed in their lifetime. (See other's posts above) Regardless, they still could have contacted the namekians and made their wish before one year was up using my theory if you really wanted them to. I don't see why you think it's nessacary to wait until Trunks is 13 to make their wish.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Wed May 24, 2006 5:39 pm

Remember when Dr. Breifs and his wife decided not to leave Metro West when Majin Boo was coming, cuz' they figured the Dragon Balls would just fix it anyway?

Odds are, they figured the same thing when the Artificial Humans struck - unwilling to leave their home...so, it is very likely they died in one of the first attacks.

But, I suppose that's not absolute proof. Props to ShadowAssailantX for doing his homework a bit better than the rest on this one.