Buu's Absorptions and South Kaioshin

[Axiom]

Nope - I don't notice. I KNOW that they are the same buu because Kaioshinn is more afraid of Kidd buu instead of Buff Buu. They really don't reference him as a form at all.

[Kamiccolo9]

Nope - I don't notice. I KNOW that they are the same buu because Kaioshinn is more afraid of Kidd buu instead of Buff Buu. They really don't reference him as a form at all.

Except they did. I just gave you the quote. Kaioshin is also more scared of Fat Buu than he was of Super Buu. His reactions aren't really important.

[TheGmGoken]

Nope - I don't notice. I KNOW that they are the same buu because Kaioshinn is more afraid of Kidd buu instead of Buff Buu. They really don't reference him as a form at all.

Except they did. I just gave you the quote. Kaioshin is also more scared of Fat Buu than he was of Super Buu. His reactions aren't really important.

That fool got PTSD to the max. Worst case I've seen in a manga

[Axiom]

Nope - I don't notice. I KNOW that they are the same buu because Kaioshinn is more afraid of Kidd buu instead of Buff Buu. They really don't reference him as a form at all.

Except they did. I just gave you the quote. Kaioshin is also more scared of Fat Buu than he was of Super Buu. His reactions aren't really important.

So...it make sense for him to be MORE afraid of a weaker Buu? Ok.

[Kamiccolo9]

Nope - I don't notice. I KNOW that they are the same buu because Kaioshinn is more afraid of Kidd buu instead of Buff Buu. They really don't reference him as a form at all.

Except they did. I just gave you the quote. Kaioshin is also more scared of Fat Buu than he was of Super Buu. His reactions aren't really important.

So...it make sense for him to be MORE afraid of a weaker Buu? Ok.

Explain him being more afraid of Fat Buu than Super Buu then.

[TheGmGoken]

Nope - I don't notice. I KNOW that they are the same buu because Kaioshinn is more afraid of Kidd buu instead of Buff Buu. They really don't reference him as a form at all.

Except they did. I just gave you the quote. Kaioshin is also more scared of Fat Buu than he was of Super Buu. His reactions aren't really important.

So...it make sense for him to be MORE afraid of a weaker Buu? Ok.

He got PTSD. Hell he was scarred with anything with a "M" on his head. Does that mean The "M" is stronger than Buutenks,Buuhan, and Buff Boo?

[MDSTSSJ]

Nope - I don't notice. I KNOW that they are the same buu because Kaioshinn is more afraid of Kidd buu instead of Buff Buu. They really don't reference him as a form at all.

More afraid because he knows about Pure Boo and what is capable of.

[Linkthoy]

So...it make sense for him to be MORE afraid of a weaker Buu? Ok.

Yes, because was Pure Bure is literally the being that killed all of East's companions (which are basically his family). Yes it's irrational East would be more scared of a weaker Buu, but I can't blame him. I would definitely be more scared of the person that killed my family more so than a different stronger person.

[Axiom]

So...it make sense for him to be MORE afraid of a weaker Buu? Ok.

Yes, because was Pure Bure is literally the being that killed all of East's companions (which are basically his family). Yes it's irrational East would be more scared of a weaker Buu, but I can't blame him. I would definitely be more scared of the person that killed my family more so than a different stronger person.

Yeah...nothing like this is ever implied. What IS implied however, is that KidBuu is just plain stronger and more dangerous than "superbuu"

[TheGmGoken]

So...it make sense for him to be MORE afraid of a weaker Buu? Ok.

Yes, because was Pure Bure is literally the being that killed all of East's companions (which are basically his family). Yes it's irrational East would be more scared of a weaker Buu, but I can't blame him. I would definitely be more scared of the person that killed my family more so than a different stronger person.

Yeah...nothing like this is ever implied. What IS implied however, is that KidBuu is just plain stronger and more dangerous than "superbuu"

No it's not... give me a manga quote.

[Linkthoy]

Um, what? Pure Buu is stated to be the Buu that killed the North and West Kaioshin and absorbed Dai and South Kaioshin, why wouldn't that leave some sort of impression on East Kaioshin? And the only place I can remember that Pure Buu is implied as the strongest Buu is in the anime. Also Pure Buu could be the most dangerous Buu, but not the strongest, simply because he is a mindless tool made for destruction.

[Kamiccolo9]

And you never answered my question. If his past experiences didn't matter, why would Kaioshin be more afraid of Fat Buu than he was of Super Buu?

[TheGmGoken]

And you never answered my question. If his past experiences didn't matter, why would Kaioshin be more afraid of Fat Buu than he was of Super Buu?

Easy. Fat Boo > Super Boo. DUH! .

[Saiga]

I don't really believe the head tentacle is proportional to power, looking at the difference between Evil Boo vs Evil Boo (Piccolo) and Evil Boo (Gotenks+Piccolo) vs Evil Boo (Goten+Trunks+Piccolo). If it was proportional you wouldn't notice the difference in the first comparison and you'd see a clear one in the second comparison.

Maybe it's indicative, but then that'd put Buff Boo between Evil Boo (Piccolo) and Evil Boo (Goten+Trunks+Piccolo) - to me it looks like Buff Boo's head tentacle is shorter than Bootenks and Goten/Trunks/Piccolo Boo doesn't appear to be any shorter than that either.

[RandomGuy96]

So I've been thinking about what the head tentacle theory would imply. If the head tentacle is proportionate to his power:

*The difference between Super Buu and Kid Buu is somewhere in the range of half to a third of the difference between Super Buu and Buff Buu. Kid Buu's tentacle is quite small, not even reaching his ears; Super Buu's reaches a little past his shoulder. Buff Buu's reaches a little above his waist, on his lower back. Buff and Super are also literally twice Kid's height.
*The South Kaioshin absorption was actually addition.
*Evil Buu is equal to or greater than Kid Buu.

Also Fusion Saga related: the Daizenshuu implies:

*Fusion is A + B
*SS Gotenks has no chance at all against Fat Buu (going with the addition theory)

Maybe it's indicative, but then that'd put Buff Boo between Evil Boo (Piccolo) and Evil Boo (Goten+Trunks+Piccolo) - to me it looks like Buff Boo's head tentacle is shorter than Bootenks and Goten/Trunks/Piccolo Boo doesn't appear to be any shorter than that either.

Not sure how to qualify Piccolo-Buu here, since his head tentacle was never shown. Just a piece cut off from Buutenks. I don't think that a detached piece of his body would just disappear when his power drops. It also looks like his head tentacle barley increases in length when he's just Piccolo-Buu; it does get noticeably fatter, though. I'm just kind of considering Goten-Piccolo-Trunks-Buu's head tentacle would be the same length as we saw it; yeah, I know it's a result of Buutenks' head tentacle being cut, but for some reason I just imagine that's what it's like.

Also, would you mind answering the questions in the OP?

[Saiga]

I still believe that South Kaioshin was weaker than Gohan, and I don't believe Kibitoshin saying he was "somehow" absorbed refers to power, as he just saw three cases of Boo absorbing someone stronger than him (although, Vegetto let it happen). I guess South Kaioshin may have been retconned into being stronger than he was originally implied to be, but I'll have to think more about how Boo works. At the moment I'm just disregarding it because I'm not sure if the Buff Boo Goku commented on is really identical to the original Buff Boo given the general weirdness going on there.

I don't think Buff Boo was a great deal stronger than Evil Boo, same reasoning as yours for Goku's statement.

Maybe the absorption was unique, or maybe the way Evil Boo shifted into it in the present made it different to the original absorption somehow. I don't know, it does seem weird that he doesn't have the Kaioshin garb.

I don't have a formula for Boo absorption right now, I just use addition.

[RandomGuy96]

Well, either way, the power of both Super Buu and Mr. Buu had to come from somewhere. The latter is especially telling. Do you follow the theory that this Buff Buu isn't the same as the other one, and Kibitoshin just mistook them because they looked similar? Seems weird from a Doylist perspective... and it would still beg the question of how Super Buu was so strong when he's simply Kid Buu with the two Kaisohin inside him.

And wait, three? So you believe Gotenks is stronger than Super Buu now?

That's something I hadn't considered. But remember that even when he was reverting through his forms when Gohan was removed, he sprouted Piccolo's shirt, yet didn't do the same thing with South Kaioshin. Could it be that Kid Buu's absorptions are just different from Super Buu's?

But not for the SK one, obviously, which is what I asked about. Looking at your power level list (assuming that still represents your POV), it seems you just picked a big number above SS3 Goku for Super Buu.

[Saiga]

Pure Boo being different in his absorption is an interesting idea, but then he gains clothes from Buff Boo to Fat Boo. Then again, we don't know that South Kaioshin didn't try to fight Boo naked in the manga.

I don't have any sort of multiplier for Pure Boo going into Buff Boo or Pure Evil Boo going to Evil Boo. I put Evil Boo where he is because of where Gotenks is placed. Although, I did formerly have Evil Boo as 3x Fat Boo or something like that, but it was totally arbitrary.

[TheGmGoken]

we don't know that South Kaioshin didn't try to fight Boo naked in the manga.

I'm sorry I don't want to be immature but I had to laugh at that. Also I always thought he was fighting from the inside of Boo. But sadly he either became complete stuck in Boo and cease to be even a thought or something inside of Boo killed him. Which is why(In the anime) Boo was just running around and not really fighting just knocking things over and trying to absorb anything he sees. Maybe South Kaioshin was trying to escape or get the others to help him escape a create a plan. Kinda dumb. I know

[RandomGuy96]

Also a good point. So it seems like he will gain clothes if he absorbs Kaioshin, just like he does when he absorbs non-Kaioshin That's why I said that South Kaioshin's absorption was unique; it doesn't look like any other one. But Grand Kaioshin's absorption shows another unique aspect of the Kaioshin absorption; a significant change to Buu's body. Absorbing anyone else just changes his facial feautures, his hands, and the length of his head tentacle.

Of course. It is a well known fact that nudity makes you stronger on some planets, so South Kaioshin was just increasing his chances. Either that or Buu is a tactical genius and ambushed South Kaioshin with his pants down.

I noticed that you said Buu absorbed three people stronger than him. You believe SS3 Gotenks is stronger than Super Buu now?

Still reluctant to the idea of Southy being that strong, eh? Where do you think all of Mr. Buu's power came from?