Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Saiga » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:24 am

Dr. Machismo wrote: If only I could draw or had the motivation in making a fanfiction.
Given your DBM ideas, it's probably for the best you don't.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:01 am

Saiga wrote:
Dr. Machismo wrote: If only I could draw or had the motivation in making a fanfiction.
Given your DBM ideas, it's probably for the best you don't.
Lol burn.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:03 am

Saiga wrote:Given your DBM ideas, it's probably for the best you don't.
My DBM ideas are no better or worse than anything Salagir could come with, if not better. But that's another topic.
since Tarble was not created by Akira Toriyama, it was easy to write him out as completely non-existant.
Battle of Gods makes Tarble canon.
The reason I had him be possessed was something I had written back in this story's original draft, and I didn't want to re-write it
Why not? That's definitely a flaw as it's redundant.

And about your drawings, I notice that many of them are copied from the manga. I don't see the "effort" in that.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:54 am

Dr. Machismo wrote:
Saiga wrote:Given your DBM ideas, it's probably for the best you don't.
My DBM ideas are no better or worse than anything Salagir could come with, if not better. But that's another topic.
since Tarble was not created by Akira Toriyama, it was easy to write him out as completely non-existant.
Battle of Gods makes Tarble canon.
The reason I had him be possessed was something I had written back in this story's original draft, and I didn't want to re-write it
Why not? That's definitely a flaw as it's redundant.


And about your drawings, I notice that many of them are copied from the manga. I don't see the "effort" in that.
I dont know any dragon ball doujinshi that doesn't copy scenes from the original manga. Toyble does it, Jijii does it, even Gogeta jr did (to a lesser extent) so singling me out on that is kinda irrelevant. And its considerably more effort than most. When it takes 5+ hours to do one page, theres a considerable amount of effort.

As far as Tarble being canon, when I started doing the series, the only infallible canon is the manga itself. Everything else is subject to opinion, and can be changed.

As far as redundancy, dragon ball itself is redundant so that arguement is not entirely accurate.

But I digress. Like I said, I cant please everyone, but this is my series and I will write it as I see fit. You obviously don't enjoy my take on the series, and while its disappointing to hear that, its to be expected. There are many people who dont like even the original manga.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:59 am

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I dont know any dragon ball doujinshi that doesn't copy scenes from the original manga. Toyble does it, Jijii does it, even Gogeta jr did (to a lesser extent) so singling me out on that is kinda irrelevant. And its considerably more effort than most. When it takes 5+ hours to do one page, theres a considerable amount of effort.
No, Toyble copied drawings at first but eventually stopped. Gogeta Jr. hasn't copied anything (and neither has anyone who has worked on Dragonball Multiverse) from what I know. Young Jiji copies a lot of drawings ... and his comic sucks. Many authors of fancomics probably do copy drawings, and that's a problem. You're just another one of those who copy drawings, instead of being one to stand out. If you can't draw your own pages, then that just shows how unskillful you are at drawing, no offense.
As far as redundancy, dragon ball itself is redundant so that arguement is not entirely accurate.

The Dragonballs being used over and over again isn't the same thing. Those are a stable in Dragonball. The same cannot be said for Vegeta getting possessed over and over again.

Your comic does have some pros, by the way. Rigor has a nice backstory. That's probably the only thing I like about the comic, though.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:07 am

Well, I'm sorry thats what you take away from it.

I appreciate the compliment on Rigor's backstory.

I will admit I fell into that trap of over-copying to make it easier on myself. Over the last week or so, I'm trying to train myself out of that habit. The remainder of chapter 28 will be a transition. Hopefully by chapter 29 or 30 the copying will be extremely minimal or non-existant.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:57 am

No, Toyble copied drawings at first but eventually stopped.
But he still copy. That's like saying Kenji Yammato did steal but then stop.
Gogeta Jr. hasn't copied anything
He has a few times.
Young Jiji copies a lot of drawings ... and his comic sucks
Like you're the one to judge lol. No offence but...your ideas...are sometime.... :sick: .
The Dragonballs being used over and over again isn't the same thing. Those are a stable in Dragonball. The same cannot be said for Vegeta getting possessed over and over again.
Here a better example. *Goku gets taken out of action* *Goku returns with BIG power* .

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by sangofe » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:22 pm

What manga did Gogeta Jr. make? Anyone's got a link? DB New Age is pretty cool, but could you mix in some more humor ^^?

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:27 pm

sangofe wrote:What manga did Gogeta Jr. make? Anyone's got a link? DB New Age is pretty cool, but could you mix in some more humor ^^?
Gogeta Jr. did some minimal copying in DB Multiverse. I plan on adding some more humor after the Aladjinn Saga is over, so no worries, more funny stuff coming :)

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:35 pm

It's a good thing your open to criticism whether good or bad. Some writers won't except anything(doesn't mean every criticism is justified) and think they're flawless.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:47 am

TheGmGoken wrote:But he still copy. That's like saying Kenji Yammato did steal but then stop.
No, it's not. This isn't a ****ing court case. Toyble copied at first, but stopped. That goes to show that he improved his work to the point where he doesn't copy, so you can't use that same criticism against him anymore. Copying drawings still isn't a good thing.
He has a few times.
Even if he has, it's nowhere near the level of the author of this comic.
Like you're the one to judge lol. No offence but...your ideas...are sometime.... :sick: .
You're probably saying based on my Multiverse ideas, but those don't represent my best at all. This is irrelevant though.
Here a better example. *Goku gets taken out of action* *Goku returns with BIG power* .
That's still not the same as Vegeta getting possessed over and over again. That's too much simpler.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:51 am

No, it's not. This isn't a ****ing court case.
Copying is copying. Regardless if he stopped or not. You can't disregard it.
Even if he has, it's nowhere near the level of the author of this comic.
Still a copy xD.
You're probably saying based on my Multiverse ideas, but those don't represent my best at all. This is irrelevant though.
Was a joke.
That's still not the same as Vegeta getting possessed over and over again. That's too much simpler.
Both are repetitive. Both are annoying.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:37 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Copying is copying. Regardless if he stopped or not. You can't disregard it.
I can't disregard when discussing only his early pictures, but if I'm discussing his work OVERALL, I can disregard. Bottom line is, he stopped and improved.
Still a copy xD.
Still not on the level of this dude.
Was a joke.

Wasn't funny xD.
Both are repetitive. Both are annoying.

Just because Dragonball has other bad ideas doesn't mean it's OK to add more.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:48 am

I can't disregard when discussing only his early pictures, but if I'm discussing his work OVERALL, I can disregard. Bottom line is, he stopped and improved.
Overall he still copied. He might have stopped. But he still copy. He still got history. I give him credit that he stopped but he still copy. Can't change that lol. No disregards. His track record still has COPY on it.
Still not on the level of this dude.
*sneezes* Still copying dude. That's like saying I stole food but not as much as this guy.
Wasn't funny xD.
You didn't get the joke that's why xD.
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Dr. Machismo wrote: If only I could draw or had the motivation in making a fanfiction.
Given your DBM ideas, it's probably for the best you don't.
Just because Dragonball has other bad ideas doesn't mean it's OK to add more.
Pssh. This is nothing compared to what I've seen. How about every arc getting a SSJ form(going all the way up to fucking 24), A new set of DBS every 3 arcs, or Every arc having a Saiyan who for some reason lived.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:52 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Overall he still copied. He might have stopped. But he still copy. He still got history. I give him credit that he stopped but he still copy. Can't change that lol. No disregards. His track record still has COPY on it.
I'm talking about the overall picture. In the long run, he stopped, so you can't criticize for the same thing overall.
*sneezes* Still copying dude. That's like saying I stole food but not as much as this guy.
Dude, he might have copied A BIT, but it was nowhere near the extent of this dude. Since it's nowhere near to the extent of this dude, it's not as bad and he doesn't deserve as much criticism for it.
Pssh. This is nothing compared to what I've seen. How about every arc getting a SSJ form(going all the way up to fucking 24), A new set of DBS every 3 arcs, or Every arc having a Saiyan who for some reason lived.
Still blows, IMO.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:56 am

I'm talking about the overall picture. In the long run, he stopped, so you can't criticize for the same thing overall.
The overall pictures includes everything he has done. Overall his track record still says
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Dude, he might have copied A BIT, but it was nowhere near the extent of this dude. Since it's nowhere near to the extent of this dude, it's not as bad and he doesn't deserve as much criticism for it.
Oh dude! DUDE! He still copied. Once again if I steal less food than my partner I should get less trouble? Seems legit.
Still blows, IMO.
So Vegeta being mind controlled 24/7 blows more than SSJ23 and a Saiyan every arc?

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by sangofe » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:58 am

Dr. Machismo: why do you feel the need to bash fan creations? I honestly don't see the nessicity of writing negative things like this. Is it because you hate it and want the author to stop? Is it because you're jealous? I'm just thankful someone draws new Dragonball related stuff when Toriyama and Toei don't wanna do it even if it's not perfect.

Malik_DBNA: In the Rigor saga, is Gogeta SSJ4 or SSJ5? I'm confused because his hair isn't dark. Also, the eyes of Rigor when transformed kinda reminds me of Baby Vegeta ^^

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:08 am

sangofe wrote:
Malik_DBNA: In the Rigor saga, is Gogeta SSJ4 or SSJ5? I'm confused because his hair isn't dark. Also, the eyes of Rigor when transformed kinda reminds me of Baby Vegeta ^^
It's SSJ4. Gogeta has reddish/Orange hair
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:10 am

sangofe wrote:Dr. Machismo: why do you feel the need to bash fan creations? I honestly don't see the nessicity of writing negative things like this. Is it because you hate it and want the author to stop? Is it because you're jealous? I'm just thankful someone draws new Dragonball related stuff when Toriyama and Toei don't wanna do it even if it's not perfect.
It's called constructive criticism. I'm just expressing my opinion on this dude's work.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:13 am

TheGmGoken wrote: The overall pictures includes everything he has done. Overall his track record still says
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What's your point? He didn't copy as much as this dude, so his work is better and doesn't deserve the same amount of criticism. Copying drawings still is bad.
Oh dude! DUDE! He still copied. Once again if I steal less food than my partner I should get less trouble? Seems legit.
In many scenarios, the extent of the crime you commit can be proportional to the amount of punishment you get. If I stole $1 from someone while some other dude stole like a million, I'd probably get less of a punishment.
So Vegeta being mind controlled 24/7 blows more than SSJ23 and a Saiyan every arc?
Why are you bringing this up? It's irrelevant.
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