SSJ God not permanent?
SSJ God not permanent?
I would think that absorbing the power into your body so you could keep using the power beyond the time limit would pretty much mean he could use most of it's power at any time. But it would makes sense if he didn't keep the form since thinking any one at Oob's level would be any bit of a challenge would be silly if he kept that massive boost in power.
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I think that in the end it's not permanent, because Goku said that he didn't like how he achieved this power. I doubt they'd make it stay if it meant Goku not being satisfied with himself.
And of course, if BOG is supposed to fit into the original continuity, there's EOS Goku eager to fight Oob, convinced that the one to win the 28th TB is not necessarily a Z Fighter.
And of course, if BOG is supposed to fit into the original continuity, there's EOS Goku eager to fight Oob, convinced that the one to win the 28th TB is not necessarily a Z Fighter.
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I believe that if Goku hadn't transformed into a Super Saiyan God for a second time, he would be able to keep the godly power. However, if he was to transform into a Super Saiyan God again at any point, he would loose it.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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At this point it's all speculation until a follow up to the story of BoG in some way shape or form crops up.
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... The 28th Tenkaichi Budokai arc says "hi".Zephyr wrote:At this point it's all speculation until a follow up to the story of BoG in some way shape or form crops up.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Remember how that follow up story to Episode of Bardock answered all of our questions? Me neither. I wouldn't get my hopes up for anything any time soon. And this annoys me.Zephyr wrote:At this point it's all speculation until a follow up to the story of BoG in some way shape or form crops up.
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In my head-canon, he keeps it because he absorbed it, and that's how he was able to use it that second time, but he still doesn't like the power up because it's not his own power.
Also he's still uncomfortable with how his body doesn't quite feel like his body in ssjg.
Also he's still uncomfortable with how his body doesn't quite feel like his body in ssjg.
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Problem is it's total bullshit how he extended his time without even knowing he did. I also think that if Goku absorbs enough power he can become SSJ God again. Isn't that how he stopped the Birus' final attack.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I believe that if Goku hadn't transformed into a Super Saiyan God for a second time, he would be able to keep the godly power. However, if he was to transform into a Super Saiyan God again at any point, he would loose it.
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Why? We even had an explanation hinted in the movie.dbzfan7 wrote:Problem is it's total bullshit how he extended his time without even knowing he did.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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We did? All I know is he somehow kept the power in his body without even knowing he did that. How can that even been done if he has no clue how to and never even tried to accomplish that.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why? We even had an explanation hinted in the movie.dbzfan7 wrote:Problem is it's total bullshit how he extended his time without even knowing he did.
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When SSG Goku was fighting with Beers, Piccolo said that it was like Goku was training (remember that they were fighting equally from what we are told, so it should be like sparring), we were told that he absorbed the power as he was fighting, and Beers tells Goku that now he should be perfectly happy & calls him a genius (implying that Goku absorbed the power thanks to his hard work, through fighting). So it seems that through training, one can absorb the power in him. The previous Super Saiyan God was fighting a bunch of weakling, which is why he didn't achieve anything.dbzfan7 wrote:We did? All I know is he somehow kept the power in his body without even knowing he did that. How can that even been done if he has no clue how to and never even tried to accomplish that.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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But he didn't do anything but throw punches. That makes no sense.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When SSG Goku was fighting with Beers, Piccolo said that it was like Goku was training (remember that they were fighting equally from what we are told, so it should be like sparring), we were told that he absorbed the power as he was fighting, and Beers tells Goku that now he should be perfectly happy & calls him a genius (implying that Goku absorbed the power thanks to his hard work, through fighting). So it seems that through training, one can absorb the power in him. The previous Super Saiyan God was fighting a bunch of weakling, which is why he didn't achieve anything.dbzfan7 wrote:We did? All I know is he somehow kept the power in his body without even knowing he did that. How can that even been done if he has no clue how to and never even tried to accomplish that.
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It's hard to comprehend how little sense that makes. But hey, it's BOG! Let's just keep justifying the pile of bullshit that surrounds it!
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Then sparring giving huge gains in the manga doesn't make sense either.dbzfan7 wrote:But he didn't do anything but throw punches. That makes no sense.
I don't like calling bullshit whatever isn't the manga just because it isn't the manga. The manga has bullshit in it as well, yet everyone defends it.hleV wrote:It's hard to comprehend how little sense that makes. But hey, it's BOG! Let's just keep justifying the pile of bullshit that surrounds it!
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Except that it's a completely invalid comparison.
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But this fight wasn't even that long. Sparring is over a long period of time and builds up strength. How does punching each other in the face = being able to hold onto the SSJ God form longer than the time limit. Where's the correlation. I would think maybe ki control has something to do with that, but Goku didn't even try to do that.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Then sparring giving huge gains in the manga doesn't make sense either.dbzfan7 wrote:But he didn't do anything but throw punches. That makes no sense.
Goku mastered SSJ by trying to hold out in the form as long as he can and by decreasing the amount of intense training so it could be mastered. Here it's just. We punched each other in the face for a while, you can now use the form's power without the form.
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I didn't say that he absorbed the power by sparring like when he gets stronger. By sparring/fighting with an equal fighter, he absorbed the power because that's how SSGod works. Super Saiyan needs pure heart because that's how it works. Cell needs to absorb #17 because that's how it works. I don't see the problem.dbzfan7 wrote:But this fight wasn't even that long. Sparring is over a long period of time and builds up strength. How does punching each other in the face = being able to hold onto the SSJ God form longer than the time limit. Where's the correlation. I would think maybe ki control has something to do with that, but Goku didn't even try to do that.
I didn't get what you are saying.hleV wrote:Except that it's a completely invalid comparison.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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That still makes no sense. How does punching each other in the face for a short amount of time allow Goku to be able to extend his grasp on SSJ God. Especially when he's not even trying to extend it's time.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I didn't say that he absorbed the power by sparring like when he gets stronger. By sparring/fighting with an equal fighter, he absorbed the power because that's how SSGod works. Super Saiyan needs pure heart because that's how it works. Cell needs to absorb #17 because that's how it works. I don't see the problem.dbzfan7 wrote:But this fight wasn't even that long. Sparring is over a long period of time and builds up strength. How does punching each other in the face = being able to hold onto the SSJ God form longer than the time limit. Where's the correlation. I would think maybe ki control has something to do with that, but Goku didn't even try to do that.
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Have you ever spar with someone in real life? It's a really tiring thing that doesn't last hours, just some minutes.dbzfan7 wrote:That still makes no sense. How does punching each other in the face for a short amount of time allow Goku to be able to extend his grasp on SSJ God. Especially when he's not even trying to extend it's time.
I can see Goku absorbing the power if SSGod works like that through sparring, even if Goku doesn't know that. Goku also didn't know he would transform when Kuririn got killed or when he looked at the full moon, yet he did it. If you still can't make any sense from it... then I can't say anything else.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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That doesn't explain how SSJ God makes sense.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Have you ever spar with someone in real life? It's a really tiring thing that doesn't last hours, just some minutes.dbzfan7 wrote:That still makes no sense. How does punching each other in the face for a short amount of time allow Goku to be able to extend his grasp on SSJ God. Especially when he's not even trying to extend it's time.
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