Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[dbzfan7]

Chapter: 301 (DBZ 107), P7.4
Context: after Freeza beats up on Piccolo
Kuririn: “Wh-what…He wasn’t [fighting] seriously before…”

Chapter: 301 (DBZ 107), P9.2
Vegeta: “H-his power is bottomless…Did I really intend to fight with that kind of monster?...”

This screams power up.

Alright I'll consider it.

[RandomGuy96]

Just reviewed it. After fighting evenly for a bit and blocking Piccolo's blast, he compliments him, Piccolo gets a little look of shock, and then Freeza starts beating him up. Eventually he punches Piccolo into the ground, creating a crater, and Piccolo emerges with a few wounds. Then Piccolo takes off his weights and is now confident he'll beat Freeza. He either was toying with Piccolo before, making them appear even, or he powered up. Vegeta's and Krillin's comments suggest the latter.

[dbzfan7]

Just reviewed it. After fighting evenly for a bit and blocking Piccolo's blast, he compliments him, Piccolo gets a little look of shock, and then Freeza starts beating him up. Eventually he punches Piccolo into the ground, creating a crater, and Piccolo emerges with a few wounds. Then Piccolo takes off his weights and is now confident he'll beat Freeza. He either was toying with Piccolo before, making them appear even, or he powered up. Vegeta's and Krillin's comments suggest the latter.

I added a little power up. Though with Kaioshin i'm not sure with how much more than Piccolo I should do.

[Kaboom]

You can fit two distinct power-ups into Freeza's second form pretty easily. They won't be huge increases, but still noticeable. Here's what I have...


Freeza (Form 2): 1,100,000
+Power-Up 1: 1,300,000
+Power-Up 2: 1,500,000
(Form 3: 2,000,000)

(Piccolo (Full-Power/"Serious"): 1,500,000)

[RandomGuy96]

I have:

Piccolo- 1,000,000
--Unweighted- 1,200,000,

Second Form Freeza- 1,000,000
--Power Up 1- 1,100,000,000
--Power Up 2- 1,200,000,000
Third Form Freeza- 2,000,000

I just like having Freeza's second form at exactly 1% of his full power. It's one of those things I do that doesn't have a logical point, but I like it because it looks neat.

Also, dbzfan, I still kind of think your gaps between 16/17 and Semi-Cell/16 are too small for the tanking and one-shotting depicted. I also notice that you don't have a level for the Cell that tanked Vegeta's kick?

[dbzfan7]

I have:

Piccolo- 1,000,000
--Unweighted- 1,200,000,

Second Form Freeza- 1,000,000
--Power Up 1- 1,100,000,000
--Power Up 2- 1,200,000,000
Third Form Freeza- 2,000,000

I just like having Freeza's second form at exactly 1% of his full power. It's one of those things I do that doesn't have a logical point, but I like it because it looks neat.

Also, dbzfan, I still kind of think your gaps between 16/17 and Semi-Cell/16 are too small for the tanking and one-shotting depicted. I also notice that you don't have a level for the Cell that tanked Vegeta's kick?

The Cell that Tanked Vegeta's kick is anywhere between the rising and the one who fought Trunks. It's also why i'm pretty satisfied with the levels I got. you have Cell tanking Vegeta at 64%. We also have Piccolo stating 17's punch was weak which could factor into the other Cyborgs as well.

[RandomGuy96]

Huh? You have the one who fought Trunks at not even x1.25 as strong as Vegeta. How is that enough to tank his kick...?

[dbzfan7]

Huh? You have the one who fought Trunks at not even x1.25 as strong as Vegeta.

I don't have as big of a gap as I believe Grade 3 is 100x Base while you have 125x base.

[RandomGuy96]

How did Cell tank Vegeta's kick to the neck then?

[dbzfan7]

How did Cell tank Vegeta's kick to the neck then?

Because Vegeta was fighting sloppy and wasn't at tip top shape. Also gaps are all over the place without much consistency. The best we can do is try. Perhaps Cell shot up his power and dropped it without anyone noticing.

[ZombieVito]

You can fit two distinct power-ups into Freeza's second form pretty easily. They won't be huge increases, but still noticeable. Here's what I have...


Freeza (Form 2): 1,100,000
+Power-Up 1: 1,300,000
+Power-Up 2: 1,500,000
(Form 3: 2,000,000)

(Piccolo (Full-Power/"Serious"): 1,500,000)

Equals? Piccolo seem sure of himself to win, I think a gap is required. I have:

Piccolo
~ Fused With Nail With Weights: 1,250,000
~ Without Weights: 1,400,000

Freeza
~ 2nd Suppression: 1,060,000
~ Power up: 1,200,000
~ Full Power: 1,330,000

[RandomGuy96]

I don't get how Piccolo can't be sure of himself when he's equal to his opponent.

[ZombieVito]

Gohan said he will win, he can sense ki. Piccolo has to be > Freeza here. I don't get how they are equal. Must be another Daiz thing.

[Mjb1985]

Yea I agree.

Piccolo ( Weighted ) is slightly superior to Freeza's first power up.

It's implied that Piccolo ( unweighted ) is superior to Freeza's second power up.

I generally go by the same degree. Not much, but enough to warrant a transformation.

[ZombieVito]

Yea I agree.

Piccolo ( Weighted ) is slightly superior to Freeza's first power up.

It's implied that Piccolo ( unweighted ) is superior to Freeza's second power up.

I generally go by the same degree. Not much, but enough to warrant a transformation.

Pretty much this, what do you think of my gaps Mjb?

[RandomGuy96]

So... made a new list. Yeah. Pretty different from my last one, mostly in regards to the Buu Saga (everything from Raditz to Freeza is still the same). And it's NEAT.


MULTIPLIERS

Super Saiyan- x50
--Grade 2- x75
--Grade 3- x125
--Super Saiyan 2- x100
--Super Saiyan 3- x400
--Legendary Super Saiyan- x100

Fused Super Saiyan- x2.5
--Super Saiyan 2- x3.75
--Super Saiyan 3- x7.5

Freeza's Species: natural max is what Freeza referred to as "about 70%" of his power.
-Buff Form ("100%")- x1.5
-Fifth Form: x5.

"Muscle Mode": x1.5. Generic power up used by several species, involving artificially pumping up your body with ki. Users include Freeza's clan, Super Saiyans, Makyans, and humans.

Super Heran- x1.5

Kaio-Ken- x(level of Kaio-Ken)

Namekian Fusion- (A + B) x 10. Rejoining after a fission is exempt from this rule and has its own set.

Potara Fusion- (A + B) x Y. Y is determined by the difference of powers.
--Kibito Kai: Kibito's power level of 45,000,000 is 2.25% of Kaioshin's 2,000,000,000. The fusion was (2,000,000,000 + 45,000,000) x 2.25
--Vegetto: Goku's base power of 81,000,000 is 100% of Vegeta's 81,000,000. The fusion was (81,000,000 + 81,000,000) x 100.

Attacks:
-Kamehameha (mastered)- x1.5
-Kamehameha (unmastered)- x1.05
-Special Beam Cannon- x1.6
-Light Grenade- x1.5
-Galick Gun- x1.33
-Final Flash- x2
-Supernova- x1.6
-Super Kamehameha- x2.22
-Mouth Blast- x1.25

NOTE: A tiny bit of rounding is involved in these attacks to keep the numbers clean. If you want an in-universe reason you can dismiss it as varying states of energy usage, injury, and mastery.

OTHER NOTE: An old Weekly Jump issue gave the power level of Goku at the 23rd Tournament as 910. As I think that this fits the story quite well, I've chosen to use that as my baseline for the Dragon Ball numbers while dispensing with the pre-Z V-Jump numbers, which were littered with errors. I assume that Raditz read Goku's and Piccolo's suppressed powers as 408 and 416, and Goku's true power only came out when firing the Kamehameha. Otherwise the scouter couldn't sense him, just like how Nappa's scouter read all of the Earthlings at weaker than Raditz. Aside from the Dragon Ball ones, the only official numbers I ignored are the ones for the Armored Squadron and the V-Jump ones for Cooler, Broly, and Gogeta- the latter can work but I don't put a lot of stock into them, while the former are just flat-out wrong, since they have every single member of the squad considerably weaker than Gohan.

EPISODE OF BARDOCK

Bardock- 12,000
--Super Saiyan- 600,000

Chilled- 16,000

BARDOCK: FATHER OF GOKU

Bardock- 6,500
--Zenkai- 9,800
Tatapo- 2,400
Selypa- 2,800
Pambukin- 2,920
Toma- 3,600
King Vegeta- 10,000
Vegeta(Kid)- 11,000
Nappa- 4,500

Freeza- 500,000
Zarbon- 20,000
Dodoria- 18,000
Dodoria's Elites- 4,000

Demon Wars

Master Mutatio- 350
Roshi- 280
Shen/Crane Hermit- 245

King Piccolo- 530
Demons- 200

21st Tournament Arc

Roshi (Heavily Suppressed)- 45
--True Power- 139
--MAX Power- 210
---MAX Power Kamehameha (x1.5)- 305
Goku- 50
--Ozaru- 500

Red Ribbon Army Arc

(just a few important ones)

Korin- 190
Goku- 55
--Post-Korin training- 165
Bora- 46

Tao- 110
General Blue- 48

Grandpa Gohan- 150
Devilman- 130
Mummy- 90
Fangs- 79
Invisible Man- 56

Krillin- 85
Yamcha- 70

22nd Tournament/Tenshinhan Arc

Goku- 180
Roshi- 139
Krillin- 105
Yamcha- 95

Tenshinhan- 160
Crane Hermit- 120
Chiaotzu- 90

King Chappa- 70
Pamput- 20

King Piccolo Saga

Goku- 180
--"Match Level"- 120
--Post-God Water- 540
Tenshinhan- 165
Roshi- 139
Yajirobe- 130
Krillin- 105
Yamcha- 95

King Piccolo- 450
--Half Power (vs Goku Round 1)- 225
--Young- 530
Drum- 210
Tambourine- 140
Cymbal- 105
Piano- 7

Kami- 700
Popo- 600

23rd Tournament

Goku- 910
--Weighted/Suppressed (vs Tenshinhan)- 600
Kami/Shen- 700
Tenshinhan- 560
Krillin- 350
Yamcha- 300
Yajirobe- 250
Chiaotzu- 185
Chi Chi- 130

Piccolo Junior- 880
--Mouth Blast (x1.25)- 1,100
Cyborg Tao- 440
Crane Hermit- 120

Garlic Jr. Attacks Earth

Goku- 920
Piccolo- 900
Kami- 650
Krillin- 400
Gohan (angry)- 1,309

Garlic Jr- 820
--Full Power- 1,230
Nicky- 400
--Full Power- 600
Sansho- 380
--Full Power- 570
Ginger- 360
-Full Power- 540

SAIYAN SAGA

Arrival of Raditz

Goku- 924
--Suppressed- 416
--Kamehameha- 970
Piccolo- 905
--Suppressed- 408
--Special Beam Cannon (x1.6)- 1,440
Gohan- 2
--Gohan(Angry)- 1,307
Tenshinhan- 625
--Resting- 250
Krillin- 515
--Resting- 206
Yamcha- 443
--Resting- 177
Master Roshi- 139

Raditz- 1,500

Arrival of Nappa and Vegeta

Goku: 8,000
--Kaioken x2: 16,000
--Kaioken x3: 24,000
--Kaio-Ken x4- 32,000
Piccolo: 3,500
--Special Beam Cannon- 5,600
Tenshinhan: 1,830
--Heavily Injured and Near Death- 610
---Kikoho- 3,050
Krillin: 1,770
Yamcha: 1,480
Gohan: 981
--Angry- 2,800
Mr Popo: 1,030
Yajirobe: 970
Chaozu: 610
--Suicide Attack- 2,440
Kami- 600

Vegeta- 18,000
--Galick Gun- 24,000
--Drained and Injured- 9,000
---Oozaru- 90,000
--Drained and Injured further- 3,000
Nappa- 4,000
--Bomber DX (x1.15)- 4,600
Saibamen: 1,200
--Suicide Attack- 4,800

Tree of Might

Goku- 40,000
--Kaio-Ken x2- 80,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 400,000
Piccolo- 18,000
--Special Beam Cannon- 29,000
Gohan- 10,000
--Oozaru- 100,000
Tenshinhan- 6,000
Krillin- 5,800
Yamcha- 5,000
Chaozu- 2,000

Turles- 37,000
--First Fruit- 550,000
--Second Fruit- 900,000
Amond- 20,000
Daiz- 16,000
Cacao- 13,000
Those Two Purple Guys- 5,500

FREEZA SAGA

Prior To Super Long Battle With Freeza

Goku- 90,000
--Kaio-Ken x2- 180,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 900,000
Vegeta- 24,000
--First Zenkai- 30,000
---Final Crash (x1.2)- 36,000
--Second Zenkai- 250,000
Krillin- 2,100
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 13,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 25,000
Gohan- 1,600
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 14,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 27,000
Nail- 42,000
Elite Namekian Warriors- 10,000
Namekian Warriors- 3,000

Freeza- 530,000
Zarbon- 23,000
--Transformed- 32,000
Dodoria- 22,000
--Yuuki lost- 15,000
Cui- 18,000
--Yuuki lost- 13,000
Freeza Soldiers (Namek village)- 1,300
Freeza Soldiers (common)- 500-1000
Banan- 980
Sui- 840

Captain Ginyu- 120,000
--Goku's Body- 23,000
Jeice- 40,000
Burter- 38,000
Recoome - 37,000
--Mouth Blast (x1.25)- 46,000
Guldo- 6,000

Tenshinhan- 102,000
--Multiform Clones- 51,000
Yamcha- 50,000
Chaozu- 34,000

Lord Slug

Goku- 3,200,000
--False Super Saiyan- 80,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x100- 320,000,000
Piccolo- 1,500,000

Lord Slug (young)- 50,000,000
--Giant- 100,000,000
Angira- 1,500,000
Medamatcha- 1,200,000
--Mouth Blast- 1,500,000
Wings- 1,100,000
Commander Zoon- 1,000,000

Super Long Battle With Freeza

Goku- 3,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 30,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20- 60,000,000
---Drained and Injured- 50,000,000
----x20 Kamehameha (x1.5)- 75,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 150,000,000
Vegeta- 250,000
--Final Zenkai- 2,100,000
---Crying- 18,000
Piccolo- 78,000
--Weighted- 58,000
--Fused With Nail (Weighted)- 1,000,000
----Without Weights 1,300,000
Gohan- 200,000 (and rising)
-Post-zenkai- 1,000,000
Krillin- 75,000 (and rising)
--Later in battle- 150,000

Freeza- 530,000 (first form)
--Second Form- 1,200,000
--Third Form- 1,800,000
--Final Form (3%)- 3,600,000
--Final Form (50%)- 60,000,000
--Final Form ("about 70%")- 80,000,000
--Final Form (100%)- 120,000,000

CELL SAGA

Arrival of Mecha Freeza

Goku - 3,400,000
--Super Saiyan - 170,000,000
Trunks - 3,000,000
--Super Saiyan - 150,000,000
Piccolo - 3,200,000
Vegeta - 2,900,000

Mecha Freeza
--5% (en route to Earth)- 7,000,000
--70% (vs Future Trunks)- 98,000,000
--100% (not seen or used)- 140,000,000
King Cold - 100,000,000
--7% (en route to Earth)- 7,000,000

Cooler's Revenge

Goku- 3,800,000
---Kaio-Ken x10 - 38,000,000
---Kaio-Ken x20 - 76,000,000
----x20 Kamehameha - 120,000,000
---Super Saiyan - 190,000,000
----Kamehameha (x1.5)- 285,000,000
Piccolo - 5,000,000
Gohan- 1,800,000
Krillin- 1,500,000

Cooler-
--Natural Max (vs Goku Round 1)- 32,000,000
--Fifth Form: 160,000,000
---Supernova (x1.6): 256,000,000
Salza: 2,500,000
Doore: 2,200,000
Neiz: 2,000,000

Trunks' Bad Future

Future Gohan- 2,600,000
--Super Saiyan: 130,000,000
---Anime Version- 250,000,000
Future Android 18- 210,000,000
Future Android 17- 230,000,000

Arrival of the Androids

Goku- 4,200,000
--Super Saiyan- 210,000,000
--Sick- 180,000,000 (and dropping)
Vegeta- 4,400,000
--Super Saiyan: 220,000,000
---Post-energy drain- 170,000,000
---Post-Big Bang Attack- 150,000,000
Trunks- 3,600,000
--Super Saiyan- 180,000,000
Piccolo- 170,000,000
--Suppressed- 17,000,000
Gohan- 3,500,000
Krillin- 3,300,000
Tenshinhan- 2,500,000
Yamcha- 1,700,000

Android 20- 100,000,000
--+Vegeta's ki- 110,000,000
--+Piccolo's ki: 127,000,000
Android 19- 90,000,000
--+Goku's ki- 155,000,000
Android 18- 270,000,000
Android 17- 280,000,000
Android 16- 405,000,000

Return of Cooler

Piccolo- 280,000,000
Vegeta- 4,400,000
--Super Saiyan- 220,000,000
Goku- 4,200,000
--Super Saiyan- 210,000,00

Metal Cooler- 180,000,000
--Post-repair- 360,000,000

Super Android 13

Piccolo- 280,000,000
Vegeta- 4,400,000
--Super Saiyan- 220,000,000
Goku- 4,200,000
--Super Saiyan- 210,000,000
---+Genki Dama- 600,000,000
Trunks- 3,600,000
--Super Saiyan- 180,000,000

Android 13- 230,000,000
--Super Android 13- 400,000,000
Android 14- 155,000,000
Android 15- 190,000,000

Imperfect Cell Arc

Imperfect Cell Initial- 240,000,000
--Kamehameha- 252,000,000
--Post-human meal- 425,000,000
Android 16- 405,000,000
Piccolo: 280,000,000
--Exhausted- 220,000,000
---Light Grenade (x1.5)- 330,000,000
Android 17- 280,000,000

Birth of Perfect Cell

Cell-
--Semi-Perfect- 600,000,000
--Initial Perfect- 1,125,000,000

Vegeta- 10,560,000
--Super Saiyan- 528,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 792,000,000
--Slightly Fatigued- 750,000,000
---Final Flash (x2)- 1,500,000,000
Trunks- 10,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 500,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 750,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 3- 1,250,000,000

Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan

Goku- 20,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,000,000,000
Vegeta- 12,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade II- 900,000,000
Trunks-11,200,000
--Super Saiyan Grade II- 840,000,000
Gohan- 14,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 700,000,000
Piccolo- 800,000,000

Broly- 30,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,500,000,000
--Legendary Super Saiyan- 3,000,000,000

Cell Games

Gohan- 50,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 5,000,000,000
--Enraged Super Saiyan 2- 7,500,000,000
--Final Father-Son Kamehameha (x2.22)- 16,600,000,000
Goku- 40,000,000
--50% Power- 1,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,000,000,000
---Instant Super Kamehameha (x2.22)- 4,400,000,000
Vegeta- 28,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 1,400,000,000
Trunks- 26,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 1,300,000,000
Piccolo- 800,000,000

Perfect Cell-
--Against Goku- 2,250,000,000
--Full Power- 4,500,000,000
--Super Perfect-- 7,200,000,000
---Solar Kamehameha (x2.22)- 16,000,000,000
Cell Juniors- 1,500,000,000

Otherworld Tournament

Pikkon- 3,000,000,000
--Burning Shot- 9,000,000,000
Goku- 44,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,200,000,000
0libu- 40,000,000

Super Perfect Cell- 7,200,000,000
Freeza- 160,000,000
King Cold- 130,000,000

Bojack Unbound

Gohan- 50,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 5,000,0000,000
Trunks- 28,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 1,400,000,000
Vegeta- 26,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 1,300,000,000
Piccolo- 850,000,000

Bojack- 2,200,000,000
--Super Bojack- 3,300,000,000
Bido- 1,800,000,000
Zangya- 1,600,000,000
Bujin- 1,400,000,000
Kogu- 400,000,000
--Super Kogu- 600,000,000

Broly: Second Coming

Gohan- 52,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,600,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 5,200,000,000
Trunks- 32,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,600,000,000
Goten- 30,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,500,000,000

Broly- 66,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 3,300,000,000
--Legendary Super Saiyan- 6,600,000,000

BUU SAGA

Tournament

Goku- 81,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 4,050,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 8,100,000,000
Vegeta- 60,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 3,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 6,000,000,000
Gohan- 52,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,600,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 5,200,000,000
East Kaioshin- 2,000,000,000
Piccolo- 1,000,000,000
Trunks- 32,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,600,000,000
Goten- 30,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,500,000,000
Kibito- 45,000,000
Krillin- 3,500,000

Babidi Saga

Goku- 81,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 4,050,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 8,100,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 32,400,000,000
Majin Vegeta- 81,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 4,050,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 8,100,000,000

Gotenks (pre-ROSAT)- 7,800,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 19,500,000,000

Dabra- 4,500,000,000
Yakon- 90,000,000
Pui Pui- 800,000
Yamu- 12
Spovovitch- 11

Fat Buu-
--Initial- 6,00,000,000
--Power Up 1- 9,000,000,000
--Power Up 2- 12,000,000,000
--Splitting up- 60,000,000,000
Evil Buu- 40,000,000,000
Good Buu- 20,000,000,000

Fusion Reborn

Gogeta-
--Super Saiyan- 52,000,000,000

Goku- 81,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 8,100,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 32,400,000,000
Vegeta- 81,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 8,100,000,000

Janemba- 20,000,000,000
--Super Janemba- 40,000,000,000
---Injured- 35,000,000,000

Fusion Saga

Vegetto-
--Super Saiyan- 810,000,000,000

Super Buu- 60,000,000,000
--Piccolo absorbed- 61,000,000,000
--Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed- 65,000,000,000
--Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed- 136,000,000,000
--Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed- 170,000,000,000

Hypothetical Gogeta
--Super Saiyan- 52,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 78,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 156,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan- 105,000,000,000

Gotenks (post-ROSAT)- 10,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 25,000,000,000
--Super Saiyn 2- 37,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 75,000,000,000

Kibito Kai- 4,601,250,000

Trunks- 40,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,000,000,000

Goten- 40,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,000,000,000

Tenshinhan- 3,200,000

Kid Buu Returns

Goku- 81,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 32,400,000,000

Mr.Buu- 30,000,000,000

Vegeta- 81,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 8,100,000,000

Kid Buu- 36,000,000,000
--South Kaioshin absorbed (flashback)- 63,000,000,000

South Kaioshin- 27,000,000,000
West Kaioshin- 4,000,000,00
Grand Kaioshin- 3,000,000,000
North Kaioshin- 2,500,000,000
East Kaioshin- 2,000,000,000
Old Kai- 30,000,000

[ZombieVito]

Doesn't make any sense that Piccolo is < Super Vegeta afte the RoSaT. The amp for the LG is very small as well.

[RandomGuy96]

I have him as strong as Grade II Trunks. Was there anything implying he was above that?

I don't buy the Kamehameha amplification being x2.22 either, mostly because it contradicts... every other example of ki amplification ever. I also don't think Toriyama intended fans to take that one example of amplification and come up with formulas for everything when he portrays ki amplification as much less powered up from that point on. He just chose a chose a random big number in between 400 and 1,000. So I just made Piccolo's LG strong enough to kill Android 17 and get tanked by Imperfect Cell.

[ZombieVito]

Big amp can work, it worked for me.

And yes it is implied Piccolo is > Super Vegeta. Why ask if you stand a chance against a fighter if you are weaker than his previous opponents?

[RandomGuy96]

I don't know what the Viz line said, but in Herms literal translation, Piccolo has no doubts that he's a fly to Cell.

Chapter: 392 (DBZ 198), P13.1-5
Goku: “Hey… Piccolo! Did you go into the Room of Spirit and Time?”
Piccolo: “Indeed.”
Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.”
Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even so, it won’t do any good against Cell…”
Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.”