Please be more specific, because I'm pretty sure I don't.Zephyr wrote:All of the bullshit from the manga.
I honestly doubt it's skill that makes him suitable for the status of the God of Destruction.Zephyr wrote:Goku's also quite clearly the most skilled combatant.
Every single bit of Dragon Ball material that is accepted to have happened within the story itself is built off of the first story arc, which is filled with so many irreconcilable gags. Why is Goku fine in space but being cold is new to him in the RRA arc? One arc later, why doesn't the moon's destruction fuck with the tides and cause global devastation?hleV wrote:Please be more specific, because I'm pretty sure I don't.
I'll agree that skill alone would not be a qualifier for the position, but he is both one of the most skilled fighters and one of the most powerful. He's got the most balance of combat prowess and raw power out of everyone after Beers and Whis. It's Goku. He achieves the impossible. Like reactivating SSj God after it was supposed to have run out. Why would you not want someone who can do what can't be done on your side, aiding you with your job?hleV wrote:I honestly doubt it's skill that makes him suitable for the status of the God of Destruction.Zephyr wrote:Goku's also quite clearly the most skilled combatant.
I don't think Roshi destroying the moon and things not going crazy was supposed to be a gag. That's just bullshit.hleV wrote:So like those examples you provided from the original work, BOG is also supposed to be treated as a gag? Because BOG doesn't give me such impression. It gives me an impression of bullshit.
I don't remember about the manga, but the anime portrays Freeza's first 3 forms like they are a second skin to Freeza, since it cracks, and eventually breaks, revealing Freeza's true form.Zephyr wrote:Freeza magically growing his tail back after his final transformation?
I doubt Namekians can regenerate holes or scratches. Only lost limbs, as we have seen.Zephyr wrote:Piccolo Daiamo not just regenerating the hole in his chest?
Piccolo on Namek not just regenerating the tiny hole in his chest?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Piccolo was literally in pieces in the Buu arc, and he regenerated from it.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I doubt Namekians can regenerate holes or scratches. Only lost limbs, as we have seen.
Exactly, he had lost pieces of his body, and replaced them. Even when his arm was broken in the 23rd TB, he had to remove it to regenerate, and Kuririn even compared his regeneration with that of lizards.Zephyr wrote:Piccolo was literally in pieces in the Buu arc, and he regenerated from it.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Didn't he have a hole shot through him by Gero?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Exactly, he had lost pieces of his body, and replaced them. Even when his arm was broken in the 23rd TB, he had to remove it to regenerate, and Kuririn even compared his regeneration with that of lizards.Zephyr wrote:Piccolo was literally in pieces in the Buu arc, and he regenerated from it.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
But then the size differences kinda throw away that theory...DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't remember about the manga, but the anime portrays Freeza's first 3 forms like they are a second skin to Freeza, since it cracks, and eventually breaks, revealing Freeza's true form.Zephyr wrote:Freeza magically growing his tail back after his final transformation?
Wasn't he faking being hurt by that attack?Kamiccolo9 wrote:Didn't he have a hole shot through him by Gero?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Exactly, he had lost pieces of his body, and replaced them. Even when his arm was broken in the 23rd TB, he had to remove it to regenerate, and Kuririn even compared his regeneration with that of lizards.Zephyr wrote:Piccolo was literally in pieces in the Buu arc, and he regenerated from it.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
He faked being seriously injured, but I thought the beam still penetrated him.RandomGuy96 wrote: Wasn't he faking being hurt by that attack?
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I guess. It's not like the hole would be that big. The beams were tiny, and we don't know if any organs were penetrated. And Piccolo later faked being severely injured with a shriveled up arm, so I don't think it's too big of a stretch.RandomGuy96 wrote:How do you fake being injured when there's an actual hole in your chest? Or it just a little flesh wound?
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Freeza could have shrunk inside his "second skin" to fit inside. Besides, his First Form is much smaller than his Final Form.Draken wrote:But then the size differences kinda throw away that theory...DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't remember about the manga, but the anime portrays Freeza's first 3 forms like they are a second skin to Freeza, since it cracks, and eventually breaks, revealing Freeza's true form.Zephyr wrote:Freeza magically growing his tail back after his final transformation?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Seems like gag to me. "ZOMG, he killed Goku! Oh, wait, he didn't. He blown up the moon instead.......... Seems legit." The series were still gag-ish at the time.Zephyr wrote:I don't think Roshi destroying the moon and things not going crazy was supposed to be a gag. That's just bullshit.
How is that bullshit? Are you making a comparison to the real world's aliens and gods?Zephyr wrote:Aliens that are more powerful than the gods themselves?
Advanced technology.Zephyr wrote:Robots that are more powerful than those aliens that are more powerful than the gods themselves?
Cell said he can regenerate from his nucleus, but he never said he cannot regenerate from half of his body. I agree that it's quite bullshit-ish, though.Zephyr wrote:Cell's nucleus not being destroyed even though his entire upper body was vaporized?
To what real world transformations are you comparing this?Zephyr wrote:Freeza magically growing his tail back after his final transformation?
I don't think Piccolo was ever shown to be able to regenerate the main portion of his body. Even so, I'm pretty sure his regeneration ability advanced greatly over years of constant training, fusing, etc.Zephyr wrote:Piccolo Daiamo not just regenerating the hole in his chest?
Piccolo on Namek not just regenerating the tiny hole in his chest?
Never had a problem with this. Freeza indirectly killed Saichoro by making him stress and worry himself over his people being killed.Zephyr wrote:Namek's Grand Elder coming back to life because Freezie-pop being a big meanie head is what killed him?
This one's bullshit. Though now when I think about it, can Shenlong work against someone who's stronger than him? If he cannot, he had to ask Goku first if he was fine with going back home.Zephyr wrote:Goku being able to refuse the will of the magical dragon because he "didn't wanna go home"?
Are you comparing this to real world zenkais?Zephyr wrote:The erratic nature of the zenkais?
I'm not saying that BOG can't be explained if one really wanted to. I'm saying that it breaks the already established shit.Zephyr wrote:That's also all bullshit. Granted, it can all be explained and rationalized. Just like 99% of the issues that Battle of Gods brings with it (the only one I can't explain myself if Mr. Satan not remembering Dende).
And did Piccolo not also destroy he moon at a later point? Or is it some filler I'm thinking of?hleV wrote:Seems like gag to me. "ZOMG, he killed Goku! Oh, wait, he didn't. He blown up the moon instead.......... Seems legit." The series were still gag-ish at the time.Zephyr wrote:I don't think Roshi destroying the moon and things not going crazy was supposed to be a gag. That's just bullshit.
Why?hleV wrote:These things can't be bullshit if they're not comparable to real world things
If it can be explained then what's the problem? And Dragon Ball is in a world where gags are able to happen. The already established shit kind of leaves almost anything to be able to happen.hleV wrote:I'm not saying that BOG can't be explained if one really wanted to. I'm saying that it breaks the already established shit.Zephyr wrote:That's also all bullshit. Granted, it can all be explained and rationalized. Just like 99% of the issues that Battle of Gods brings with it (the only one I can't explain myself if Mr. Satan not remembering Dende).
Because there's no basis for that. It's like saying that Piccolo's skin color being green is bullshit.Zephyr wrote:Why?hleV wrote:These things can't be bullshit if they're not comparable to real world things
DB relies on simple things and explanations. If something needs a complex explanation or doesn't go by what's already established, them it doesn't fit DB, thus is bullshit. In this case Goku absorbing the realm of SSG power through just fighting Beerus is bullshit and nothing else, as there appears to be no gag intended whatsoever. Unless I'm not aware of what Piccolo actually said regarding the issue and the real wording holds some legitimate explanation.Zephyr wrote:If it can be explained then what's the problem? And Dragon Ball is in a world where gags are able to happen. The already established shit kind of leaves almost anything to be able to happen.
There's also no real world basis for Super Saiyan God, or the way it works, or how it might behave during combat.hleV wrote:Because there's no basis for that. It's like saying that Piccolo's skin color being green is bullshit.Zephyr wrote:Why?hleV wrote:These things can't be bullshit if they're not comparable to real world things
Buu's absorptions and transformations certainly require complex explanations.hleV wrote:DB relies on simple things and explanations. If something needs a complex explanation or doesn't go by what's already established, them it doesn't fit DB, thus is bullshit. In this case Goku absorbing the realm of SSG power through just fighting Beerus is bullshit and nothing else, as there appears to be no gag intended whatsoever.Zephyr wrote:If it can be explained then what's the problem? And Dragon Ball is in a world where gags are able to happen. The already established shit kind of leaves almost anything to be able to happen.
Not SSG itself, but Piccolo's explanation fucks with already established rules.Zephyr wrote:There's also no real world basis for Super Saiyan God, or the way it works, or how it might behave during combat.
No they don't. In which fiction does magic go by real world logic?Zephyr wrote:Buu's absorptions and transformations certainly require complex explanations.
Piccolo could simply not know what he's talking about. He's not the Super Saiyan God, after all.hleV wrote:Not SSG itself, but Piccolo's explanation fucks with already established rules.Zephyr wrote:There's also no real world basis for Super Saiyan God, or the way it works, or how it might behave during combat.
But it's DB logic.hleV wrote:No they don't. In which fiction does magic go by real world logic?Zephyr wrote:Buu's absorptions and transformations certainly require complex explanations.
