Movie 3 Goku Kaioken X10

[Kakashi]

How could Goku use Kaioken X10 when he just had a power level of 30,000?

In the Manga, Goku says he can take on Kaioken 10X when he finished his training and was at 90,000 and M3 was before Goku used 100G

It's also noted that Goku had his GO symbol which he used when he arrived on Namek and M3 was revealed just after Krillin got his power up from Saichouru but I guess it's probably because M3 is based on the Namek Arc

To me, it makes more sense if Goku would of used Kaioken X8 but I guess they used Kaioken X10 because they wanted Tullece to be in par with Frieza

What do you think?

[hleV]

Goku never said he couldn't use KK10 at 30,000BP.

[Kakashi]

Goku never said he couldn't use KK10 at 30,000BP.

He only said it when he was at 90,000

M3 Goku is 32,000 IMO

[hleV]

He would've said the same if he was 3,000,000. Doesn't mean he couldn't go KK10 before becoming this strong.

[Kakashi]

He would've said the same if he was 3,000,000. Doesn't mean he couldn't go KK10 before becoming this strong.

He actually used Kaioken X20 when he was 3,000,000

[hleV]

He actually used Kaioken X20 when he was 3,000,000

I know. So what?

[Kakashi]

He actually used Kaioken X20 when he was 3,000,000

I know. So what?

So what is your point? Goku can use Kaioken X10 when he is 90,000 and never said it before

[hleV]

Do I have to repeat myself?

Goku never said he couldn't use KK10 at 30,000BP.

He said that he can go KK10 when he was 90,000, be that doesn't mean he couldn't pull it off at 30,000.

[Kakashi]

Do I have to repeat myself?

Goku never said he couldn't use KK10 at 30,000BP.

He said that he can go KK10 when he was 90,000, be that doesn't mean he couldn't pull it off at 30,000.

It actually does because he says it only when he was 90,000


That's like saying he could of used Kaioken X20 when he was 90,000 but just mentioned it when he was 3,000,000

[hleV]

It actually does because he says it only when he was 90,000

No, it doesn't.

That's like saying he could of used Kaioken X20 when he was 90,000 but just mentioned it when he was 3,000,000

And nothing would contradict it.

[Kakashi]

It actually does because he says it only when he was 90,000

No, it doesn't.

That's like saying he could of used Kaioken X20 when he was 90,000 but just mentioned it when he was 3,000,000

And nothing would contradict it.

So basically, you are making conjunctures? If it was not said so nothing says it's true

[hleV]

I'm saying that 90k Goku pointing out his ability to use KK10 doesn't deny the possibility of 30k Goku using KK10.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm saying that 90k Goku pointing out his ability to use KK10 doesn't deny the possibility of 30k Goku using KK10.

Exactly. When in the manga was Goku, at 30,000, going to say that he could use KK10? We never see him at 30,000 (that we know of) in the manga. And what point would he have in mentioning it before he arrived on Namek?

[Darkprince410]

He only manages to reach a base battle power of 30,000 sometime during his 100x Earth's gravity training for Namek, since his base beforehand was somewhere above 8,000 and after was 90,000. There is so little of the training shown during the course of this time frame that he easily could have pushed himself to be able to use the 10x Kaiou-ken while in the 30,000 range and it simply not be shown in the handful of panels devoted to his training.

It could be that Goku had access to the 10x Kaiou-ken before he reached Namek, but like it was with the 3x and 4x Kaiou-ken during the Saiya-jin Saga, it was a risky maneuver that he didn't want to utilize except for desperate measures, as was the case when he was fighting a Shinseiju fruit-powered Tullece. His completion of the 100x gravity training allowed him to use the 10x level readily, as his body would be better conditioned for the stress inflicted on it.

[ZombieVito]

How could Goku use Kaioken X10 when he just had a power level of 30,000?

That's because he wasn't at 30,000. Remember Turles did not have a problem taking on a 100,000 Ozaru Gohan. Turles is at least in the 120K range.

[hleV]

Going by the Strength Checker, Goku says that he should be able to use about 10-fold KK, so I highly doubt he attempted that during his training.

[TheGmGoken]

Just because Goku was at 90k when he said he could use x10 Kaioken doesn't mean he could't use it if he was weaker than 90k. Had he landed on Namek with a BP of 90,000,000,000,000 he would had said the same thing.

[Kakashi]

He only manages to reach a base battle power of 30,000 sometime during his 100x Earth's gravity training for Namek, since his base beforehand was somewhere above 8,000 and after was 90,000. There is so little of the training shown during the course of this time frame that he easily could have pushed himself to be able to use the 10x Kaiou-ken while in the 30,000 range and it simply not be shown in the handful of panels devoted to his training.

It could be that Goku had access to the 10x Kaiou-ken before he reached Namek, but like it was with the 3x and 4x Kaiou-ken during the Saiya-jin Saga, it was a risky maneuver that he didn't want to utilize except for desperate measures, as was the case when he was fighting a Shinseiju fruit-powered Tullece. His completion of the 100x gravity training allowed him to use the 10x level readily, as his body would be better conditioned for the stress inflicted on it.

The movie was revealed before Goku used 100G

Goku was over 30,000

[Kakashi]

How could Goku use Kaioken X10 when he just had a power level of 30,000?

That's because he wasn't at 30,000. Remember Tullece did not have a problem taking on a 100,000 Ozaru Gohan. Tullece is at least in the 120K range.

He is stated to be at 30,000 and Tullece was struggling against it

Tullece is nowhere near Ape Gohan

First, Gohan was injured so he was weaker and second, Tullece used his attack which might be stronger

TheGmGoken, he would have said he can use a much higher Kaioken

This is conjucture

[TheGmGoken]

He is stated to be at 30,000 and Tullece was struggling against it

His said it's 30k and was STILL going up