Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

[Kamiccolo9]

Over 2 million cumulative views on deviantart alone, read on 6 continents and translated into 8 different languages by people I don't even know. Yep. No one reads it.

Your comic's still not very well known in the community. Do you mean 2 million when you gather the views from all pages together?

What community? Is there some kind of international community of Dragon Ball fanmanga fans I'm unaware of? If there are people wanting to translate it on their own, then apparently they have a decent community. And it's apparently widely read, so I don't see how "it's not well known in the community."

[Dr. Machismo]

What community? Is there some kind of international community of Dragon Ball fanmanga fans I'm unaware of? If there are people wanting to translate it on their own, then apparently they have a decent community. And it's apparently widely read, so I don't see how "it's not well known in the community."

This comic is definitely one of the lesser known fancomics, though.

[Kamiccolo9]

What community? Is there some kind of international community of Dragon Ball fanmanga fans I'm unaware of? If there are people wanting to translate it on their own, then apparently they have a decent community. And it's apparently widely read, so I don't see how "it's not well known in the community."

This comic is definitely one of the lesser known fancomics, though.

Okay? And since when does "well known=good quality?" Apparently, a fair amount of people seem to like it, otherwise it wouldn't have been translated multiple times by people other than the creator.

[Dr. Machismo]

Okay? And since when does "well known=good quality?" Apparently, a fair amount of people seem to like it, otherwise it wouldn't have been translated multiple times by people other than the creator.

You don't seem to understand what this conversation was about in the first place, so I suggest you take the time to read previous comments before jumping in. Malik_DBNA is pointing how I'm the only person who's read his comic that's voiced so many complaints, but I'm saying that's a weak point to make as not many people have read his comic. I'm sure most fans would dismiss his work as cheap, poorly written fanfiction.

[Kamiccolo9]

Okay? And since when does "well known=good quality?" Apparently, a fair amount of people seem to like it, otherwise it wouldn't have been translated multiple times by people other than the creator.

You don't seem to understand what this conversation was about in the first place, so I suggest you take the time to read previous comments before jumping in. Malik_DBNA is pointing how I'm the only person who's read his comic that's voiced so many complaints, but I'm saying that's a weak point to make as not many people have read his comic. I'm sure most fans would dismiss his work as cheap, poorly written fanfiction.

I have read this conversation. You said that not many people have read it, and he replied that it has over 2 million views, has been read on 6 continents, and has been translated into 8 different languages. Since when is 2 million not a lot of people? And I'm pretty sure that most fans would rather not have you speak for them. What's more, you are the only person on this thread who has been bashing this comic, so I don't see what gives you the right to condemn it in the name of what "most fans" would think.

If you have a problem with this guy's comic, that's fine. Say so, and either offer constructive criticism, or leave. All you've done is say how bad it is, without offering any ideas on how to make it better. That's not how you engage in active discussion. If you have nothing to contribute other than "dude, you should start over. Your comic sucks," then it's better to say nothing at all. You're not helping anyone.

[Dr. Machismo]

I have read this conversation. You said that not many people have read it, and he replied that it has over 2 million views, has been read on 6 continents, and has been translated into 8 different languages. Since when is 2 million not a lot of people? And I'm pretty sure that most fans would rather not have you speak for them. What's more, you are the only person on this thread who has been bashing this comic, so I don't see what gives you the right to condemn it in the name of what "most fans" would think.

So, you have "read" the conversation ... yet you fail to mention how I had asked Malik_DBNA what he meant by 2 million views. Getting 2 million views from all the pages together isn't all that impressive. Same with being translated in 8 different languages or being read on different continents. And I'm only expressing my opinion that most fans wouldn't approve of this comic. Not that many people have replied in this thread, too.

If you have a problem with this guy's comic, that's fine. Say so, and either offer constructive criticism, or leave. All you've done is say how bad it is, without offering any ideas on how to make it better. That's not how you engage in active discussion. If you have nothing to contribute other than "dude, you should start over. Your comic sucks," then it's better to say nothing at all. You're not helping anyone.

That's a poor way to wrap up what I've said in this thread in a nutshell. I first came in and appropriately expressed my opinion on the comic. People started responding to what I said, so I simply responded back. The debate seemed to end with one of Goken's comments, and I later joined in on the conversation about Vegeta getting possessed and recommended that Malik_DBNA come up with something to replace the Aladjinn saga. Malik_DBNA countered, saying that he felt no need to do so as I'm the only one who seems to be so critical of his work. I then pointed out that the reason why I appear to be the only one is because his comic isn't very wellknown. I also have offered ways to improve this comic, too. I'd say you're blowing this out of proportion.

[Kamiccolo9]

I have read this conversation. You said that not many people have read it, and he replied that it has over 2 million views, has been read on 6 continents, and has been translated into 8 different languages. Since when is 2 million not a lot of people? And I'm pretty sure that most fans would rather not have you speak for them. What's more, you are the only person on this thread who has been bashing this comic, so I don't see what gives you the right to condemn it in the name of what "most fans" would think.

So, you have "read" the conversation ... yet you fail to mention how I had asked Malik_DBNA what he meant by 2 million views. Getting 2 million views from all the pages together isn't all that impressive. Same with being translated in 8 different languages or being read on different continents. And I'm only expressing my opinion that most fans wouldn't approve of this comic. Not that many people have replied in this thread, too.

If you have a problem with this guy's comic, that's fine. Say so, and either offer constructive criticism, or leave. All you've done is say how bad it is, without offering any ideas on how to make it better. That's not how you engage in active discussion. If you have nothing to contribute other than "dude, you should start over. Your comic sucks," then it's better to say nothing at all. You're not helping anyone.

That's a poor way to wrap up what I've said in this thread in a nutshell. I first came in and appropriately expressed my opinion on the comic. People started responding to what I said, so I simply responded back. The debate seemed to end with one of Goken's comments, and I later joined in on the conversation about Vegeta getting possessed and recommended that Malik_DBNA come up with something to replace the Aladjinn saga. Malik_DBNA countered, saying that he felt no need to do so as I'm the only one who seems to be so critical of his work. I then pointed out that the reason why I appear to be the only one is because his comic isn't very wellknown. I also have offered ways to improve this comic, too. I'd say you're blowing this out of proportion.

You could, you know, check the pages yourself. And what gives you the right to say that most fans wouldn't approve? All of the comments here, except yours, have been positive, and the majority of the comments on his deviantart are positive. Maybe you just don't like it? And there's nothing wrong with that; just don't speak for other people.

You recommended that the guy start over. How is that constructive criticism? And from what we've seen, you are the only one who's been really critical of his work. And again, there's nothing wrong with that, in and of itself, but you haven't offered ways on how to improve it, other than "start over. Most fans wouldn't like this."

[Dr. Machismo]

You could, you know, check the pages yourself. And what gives you the right to say that most fans wouldn't approve? All of the comments here, except yours, have been positive, and the majority of the comments on his deviantart are positive. Maybe you just don't like it? And there's nothing wrong with that; just don't speak for other people.

I have my right to say what I think other fans would think. And again, not that many people have replied to this thread.

You recommended that the guy start over. How is that constructive criticism? And from what we've seen, you are the only one who's been really critical of his work. And again, there's nothing wrong with that, in and of itself, but you haven't offered ways on how to improve it, other than "start over. Most fans wouldn't like this."

I recommended that he start it over in a blunt and simple manner, but there's nothing wrong with that. And again, I have offered ways to improve it, like when I said that Vegeta shouldn't get possessed and Vegeta should go back to being a calm, collected mastermind.

[Kamiccolo9]

You could, you know, check the pages yourself. And what gives you the right to say that most fans wouldn't approve? All of the comments here, except yours, have been positive, and the majority of the comments on his deviantart are positive. Maybe you just don't like it? And there's nothing wrong with that; just don't speak for other people.

I have my right to express my opinion on what fans in general would think. And again, not that many people have replied to this thread.

You recommended that the guy start over. How is that constructive criticism? And from what we've seen, you are the only one who's been really critical of his work. And again, there's nothing wrong with that, in and of itself, but you haven't offered ways on how to improve it, other than "start over. Most fans wouldn't like this."

I recommended that he start it over in a blunt and simple manner, but there's nothing wrong with that. And again, I have offered ways to improve it, like when I said that Vegeta shouldn't get possessed and Vegeta should go back to being a calm, collected mastermind.

Except your opinion is going against the reception he's gotten. So why should he value your opinion? You have to back your opinion up for it to carry any weight, and you haven't done that.

"You need to start over" isn't constructive criticism. It's a rejection of the quality of his work. He answered your thoughts about Vegeta being possessed.

And Vegeta has never been a "calm, collected mastermind." I don't know where you got that idea from.

[Dr. Machismo]

Except your opinion is going against the reception he's gotten. So why should he value your opinion? You have to back your opinion up for it to carry any weight, and you haven't done that.

Again, I had said that the reason why he's gotten a mostly positive reception could be because not that many people have seen his comic.

"You need to start over" isn't constructive criticism. It's a rejection of the quality of his work. He answered your thoughts about Vegeta being possessed.

There's nothing wrong with me recommending that he start over. And yes, he answered my thoughts on Vegeta getting possessed. What's your point?

And Vegeta has never been a "calm, collected mastermind." I don't know where you got that idea from.

Yes, he was. Before Goku got the advantage in their first fight, Vegeta was not the same easily frustrated being he was for the majority of his time in the series. He was a calm, collected mastermind who seemed to be sure of most of his thoughts. He wasn't always relaxed, but it was never to the point where he started going berserk. I suggest you read the manga from when Vegeta first debuted to when Goku used the Kaioken/Warlord Fist (my term! ) x3 on him.

[Kamiccolo9]

Except your opinion is going against the reception he's gotten. So why should he value your opinion? You have to back your opinion up for it to carry any weight, and you haven't done that.

Again, I had said that the reason why he's gotten a mostly positive reception could be because not that many people have seen his comic.

"You need to start over" isn't constructive criticism. It's a rejection of the quality of his work. He answered your thoughts about Vegeta being possessed.

There's nothing wrong with me recommending that he start over. And yes, he answered my thoughts on Vegeta getting possessed. What's your point?

And Vegeta has never been a "calm, collected mastermind." I don't know where you got that idea from.

Yes, he was. Before Goku got the advantage in their first fight, Vegeta was not the same easily frustrated being he was for the majority of his time in the series. He was a calm, collected mastermind who seemed to be sure of most of his thoughts. He wasn't always relaxed, but it was never to the point where he started going berserk. I suggest you read the manga from when Vegeta first debuted to when Goku used the Kaioken/Warlord Fist (my term! ) x3 on him.

And he replied that many people have seen his comic, and you basically told him to check again.
Telling someone to start over isn't constructive criticism.
Methinks you don't know what a mastermind is. Vegeta is calm because everyone else there is an ant compared to him. The calmness goes away as soon as Goku shows up.

[Dr. Machismo]

And he replied that many people have seen his comic, and you basically told him to check again.

He told me the statistics, but I told him that doesn't change the fact that his comic still isn't all that wellknown and asked what he meant by his stats.

Telling someone to start over isn't constructive criticism.

Doesn't make it wrong. And I did tell Malik_DBNA that it was his call, anyway.

Methinks you don't know what a mastermind is. Vegeta is calm because everyone else there is an ant compared to him. The calmness goes away as soon as Goku shows up.

A mastermind is a being with an outstanding intellect, which is what Vegeta's always been. However, after Goku got the advantage in their battle, we see Vegeta going mad like he usually does for the first time. From that point on Vegeta is the loud and easily frustrated individual most people know him as. This didn't start at the very moment Goku showed up.

[Kamiccolo9]

And he replied that many people have seen his comic, and you basically told him to check again.

He told me the statistics, but I told him that doesn't change the fact that his comic still isn't all that wellknown and asked what he meant by his stats.

Telling someone to start over isn't constructive criticism.

Doesn't make it wrong. And I did tell Malik_DBNA that it was his call, anyway.

Methinks you don't know what a mastermind is. Vegeta is calm because everyone else there is an ant compared to him. The calmness goes away as soon as Goku shows up.

A mastermind is a being with an outstanding intellect, which is what Vegeta's always been. However, after Goku got the advantage in their battle, we see Vegeta going mad like he usually does for the first time. From that point on Vegeta is the loud and easily frustrated individual most people know him as. This didn't start at the very moment Goku showed up.

Isn't well known to you maybe. Apparently it's fairly well known to a decent amount of people.
But why should he consider your opinion valid when it goes against most of the other opinions? If ten people like something, and one person doesn't, and that one person tells him to start over, why should he listen to that one dissenting opinion? You need to back up your opinion with evidence, not just saying "most people won't like this," especially since, looking at the comments here and on his site, most people who have read it do seem to like it. Unless you just think they are lying?
What, pray tell, did Vegeta do in his first appearance that was indicative of an outstanding intellect? His whole plan was to get the Dragon Balls to become immortal so he could beat up Freeza. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. And being a mastermind requires more than being smart. Masterminds have complex plans, get other people to do their work for them, things of that nature. A mafia don would be a mastermind, not Vegeta.

[Dr. Machismo]

Isn't well known to you maybe. Apparently it's fairly well known to a decent amount of people.

No, it's not a wellknown comic. Toyble's Dragonball AF and Dragonball Multiverse are wellknown fancomics. Not this.

But why should he consider your opinion valid when it goes against most of the other opinions? If ten people like something, and one person doesn't, and that one person tells him to start over, why should he listen to that one dissenting opinion? You need to back up your opinion with evidence, not just saying "most people won't like this," especially since, looking at the comments here and on his site, most people who have read it do seem to like it. Unless you just think they are lying?

Again, not that many people have read this comic or expressed their opinions on it.

What, pray tell, did Vegeta do in his first appearance that was indicative of an outstanding intellect? His whole plan was to get the Dragon Balls to become immortal so he could beat up Freeza. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. And being a mastermind requires more than being smart. Masterminds have complex plans, get other people to do their work for them, things of that nature. A mafia don would be a mastermind, not Vegeta.

Vegeta was clearly a mastermind, as shown by his elite fighting ability and tactics. Even Goku notes how smart Vegeta is. Intelligent decisions Vegeta made was stopped Nappa from devastating Earth any further, made sure Nappa didn't kill Piccolo so soon, postponed Nappa's beating of the Earthlings to a time closer to Goku's arrival and reminded Nappa to get his act together so he could fight more evenly with Goku (which worked). Vegeta's plan to save Piccolo for last, postpone the battle by 3 hours and have Nappa and the Saibamen do the job for him fits your description of a mastermind, btw.

[Kamiccolo9]

Isn't well known to you maybe. Apparently it's fairly well known to a decent amount of people.

No, it's not a wellknown comic. Toyble's Dragonball AF and Dragonball Multiverse are wellknown fancomics. Not this.

But why should he consider your opinion valid when it goes against most of the other opinions? If ten people like something, and one person doesn't, and that one person tells him to start over, why should he listen to that one dissenting opinion? You need to back up your opinion with evidence, not just saying "most people won't like this," especially since, looking at the comments here and on his site, most people who have read it do seem to like it. Unless you just think they are lying?

Again, not that many people have read this comic or expressed their opinions on it.

What, pray tell, did Vegeta do in his first appearance that was indicative of an outstanding intellect? His whole plan was to get the Dragon Balls to become immortal so he could beat up Freeza. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. And being a mastermind requires more than being smart. Masterminds have complex plans, get other people to do their work for them, things of that nature. A mafia don would be a mastermind, not Vegeta.

Vegeta was clearly a mastermind, as shown by his elite fighting ability and tactics. Even Goku notes how smart Vegeta is. Intelligent decisions Vegeta made was stopped Nappa from devastating Earth any further, made sure Nappa didn't kill Piccolo so soon, postponed Nappa's beating of the Earthlings to a time closer to Goku's arrival and reminded Nappa to get his act together so he could fight more evenly with Goku (which worked). Vegeta's plan to save Piccolo for last, postpone the battle by 3 hours and have Nappa and the Saibamen do the job for him fits your description of a mastermind, btw.

They might be more known to a larger audience. There are differing degrees of "well known."
Have you read the comments on his site? There are plenty of people who have expressed their opinions.
So smart fighting makes one a mastermind? I guess Goku is one now. Being intelligent does not make one a mastermind. Vegeta wanted to fight Goku, there wasn't some big complicated plan that he concocted; he was just looking for a good time. Keeping Piccolo alive was a necessity, not part of a devious master plan. Dr. Gero (maybe Pilaf and Commander Red) is probably the only Dragon Ball villain to fit the definition of a mastermind.

[Dr. Machismo]

They might be more known to a larger audience. There are differing degrees of "well known."

It's definitely not well known to the level of Toyble and Salagir's stuff.

Have you read the comments on his site? There are plenty of people who have expressed their opinions.

Comic's still not all that well known.

So smart fighting makes one a mastermind? I guess Goku is one now. Being intelligent does not make one a mastermind. Vegeta wanted to fight Goku, there wasn't some big complicated plan that he concocted; he was just looking for a good time. Keeping Piccolo alive was a necessity, not part of a devious master plan. Dr. Gero (maybe Pilaf and Commander Red) is probably the only Dragon Ball villain to fit the definition of a mastermind.

Definition of "mastermind": One with an outstanding intellect. Smart fighters could pass as masterminds.

You said being a mastermind requires having a complex plan and getting people to do your work. I already explained that Vegeta fits your definition, as he had a complex plan (kill everyone but save Piccolo for last and postpone the battle for Goku to appear)and had others do his work (the Saibamen and Nappa). Killing everyone but Piccolo is pretty complex, as it would have been much easier to just kill everyone at once. Postponing the battle was pretty complex, as it would have easier and simpler to just get the fight out of the way ASAP and waiting for Goku to join the fray made things more complicated.

[sangofe]

I'm almost feeling sad I caught up on this manga. It's been really entertaining to read so far.

[Dr. Machismo]

I'm almost feeling sad I caught up on this manga. It's been really entertaining to read so far.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting to read and I'm somewhat looking forward to reading more of it, but it's still not good IMO.

[Kamiccolo9]

They might be more known to a larger audience. There are differing degrees of "well known."

It's definitely not well known to the level of Toyble and Salagir's stuff.

Have you read the comments on his site? There are plenty of people who have expressed their opinions.

Comic's still not all that well known.

So smart fighting makes one a mastermind? I guess Goku is one now. Being intelligent does not make one a mastermind. Vegeta wanted to fight Goku, there wasn't some big complicated plan that he concocted; he was just looking for a good time. Keeping Piccolo alive was a necessity, not part of a devious master plan. Dr. Gero (maybe Pilaf and Commander Red) is probably the only Dragon Ball villain to fit the definition of a mastermind.

Definition of "mastermind": One with an outstanding intellect. Smart fighters could pass as masterminds.

You said being a mastermind requires having a complex plan and getting people to do your work. I already explained that Vegeta fits your definition, as he had a complex plan (kill everyone but save Piccolo for last and postpone the battle for Goku to appear)and had others do his work (the Saibamen and Nappa). Killing everyone but Piccolo is pretty complex, as it would have been much easier to just kill everyone at once. Postponing the battle was pretty complex, as it would have easier and simpler to just get the fight out of the way ASAP and waiting for Goku to join the fray made things more complicated.

Who said they were?
What a well crafted argument you have there.
That is the most lenient definition of mastermind I have ever seen. I think it's hilarious that you apparently have really high standards for fanmanga quality, but have really low standards for what a mastermind is. Vegeta wasn't prolonging the fight out of some complex and complicated plan; he was doing it because he wanted to torture Goku by killing his friends in front of him. Vegeta's master plan was to make himself immortal so he could beat up his boss. Does that really sound like a plan someone would need a top quality intellect for?
And if you seriously consider Goku a mastermind because he's a smart fighter, then you are either trolling, or delusional. Not sure which at this point.

[Dr. Machismo]

Who said they were?

Those comics are definitely well known fancomics. This is not one of them.

What a well crafted argument you have there.

I mean, well, it's not.

That is the most lenient definition of mastermind I have ever seen. I think it's hilarious that you apparently have really high standards for fanmanga quality, but have really low standards for what a mastermind is. Vegeta wasn't prolonging the fight out of some complex and complicated plan; he was doing it because he wanted to torture Goku by killing his friends in front of him. Vegeta's master plan was to make himself immortal so he could beat up his boss. Does that really sound like a plan someone would need a top quality intellect for?

What? I went on Google and found the definition. Maybe what I mean to say is that Vegeta should go back to being calm, collected and not easily frustrated, like how he was before Goku beat him up.

And if you seriously consider Goku a mastermind because he's a smart fighter, then you are either trolling, or delusional. Not sure which at this point.

Goku is a fighting mastermind.