The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:08 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:That's what I have. SS Goten post ROSAT = SS Gohan at the Budokai.
I still don't but I don't disagree with the possibility.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:36 pm

SSJ Trunks (manga Trunks special) vs Freeza's forms. How far does he get?
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:38 pm

I think he loses at form 3, because I think that Future Gohan is weaksauce.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:50 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:SSJ Trunks (manga Trunks special) vs Freeza's forms. How far does he get?
Pre time skip I can see him maybe beating form 3 but losing to final form Freeza. Post time skip is the same as the one we see meet Goku who easily stomps Freeza
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:06 pm

Freeza wins with his Final Form. Trunks have an epic battle with form 3. Didn't think Trunks was all that strong till post time skip. He had a weak teacher and didn't train till a older age.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:24 am

Son Edo wrote:It doesn't matter filler is part of the anime and should be taken seriously in that department.
But you can't take seriously something when it shoots logic in the balls with a bazooka. Here is what we see in the anime:

DB Piccolo Daimao arc: Mutaito > Goku > Daimao > Mutaito
DBZ Boo arc: Evil Boo > SS Goku > U. Gohan > Evil Boo > SS3 Goku
DBGT Evil Dragons arc: SS Goku = SS Vegeta > Oozaru Vegeta > SS4 Goku = SS4 Vegeta

These are only examples. So, is Mutaito stronger than Mutaito? Is SS Goku stronger than SS3 or SS4 Goku? Is Oozaru stronger than SS4? That's why when it comes to power feats/statements in the anime, they shouldn't be taken seriously.
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Post by Mjb1985 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:23 pm

South Kaioshin vs Ssj2 Goku ( Anime Filler Logic )
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:29 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:South Kaioshin vs Ssj2 Goku ( Anime Filler Logic )
Goku wins because Toei.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:30 pm

Goku loses in SS2. However South Kaioshin is then defeated by base Goku. Who then loses to Raditz.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:38 pm

Toei Goku vs SSJ4 Toei Goku
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Post by Mjb1985 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:44 pm

Yea I'm going with that as well. Ssj2 Goku vs Kid Buu appeared to be a more intense battle than South Kaioshin vs Kid Buu and it lasted much longer as well.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:53 pm

What form do you think Vegito would have to be to equal SSJ4 Gogeta?
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:55 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:What form do you think Vegito would have to be to equal SSJ4 Gogeta?
Toei Logic or Realistic DBZ Logic?

Toei Logic: SSJ4 Vegetto > SSJ4 Gogeta maybe SSJ5 Vegetto > SSJ4 Gogeta since Gogeta is Toei's creation

Real Dbz Logic: With the thread that applies Daizenshuu states GOhan > SSJ3 Gogeta I'll say SSJ 2 would be enough.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:01 pm

I know its a pain in the ass comparing Z characters to GT because of how much Toei screwed up character strength in GT believe me. SSJ2 seems pretty logical to me as well.

Ok heres another, what form would Vegito need to equal and/or defeat Beers?
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:06 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I know its a pain in the ass comparing Z characters to GT because of how much Toei screwed up character strength in GT believe me. SSJ2 seems pretty logical to me as well.

Ok heres another, what form would Vegito need to equal and/or defeat Beers?
Depends on how you take the public statement on Birus. He was stated as the strongest being in Z (before the twist) which would mean he is stronger than SSJ Vegetto. Some take Goku's statement of saying "I never thought such a power could exist" would mean SSJ God>SSJ3 Vegetto. But there is no definitive answer.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:09 pm

He'd need Super Saiyan 4.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:15 pm

That brings me to another question. In the Goku VS Superman deathbattle, that had SSJ4's multiplier at X4000. Anyone know where they got that cause I know they came to Kanzenshuu for one of the sites they got info from.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:16 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:That brings me to another question. In the Goku VS Superman deathbattle, that had SSJ4's multiplier at X4000. Anyone know where they got that cause I know they came to Kanzenshuu for one of the sites they got info from.
SSJ3 X Oozaru multiplier (400 X 10). I doubt Kanzenshuu had anything to do with that as no official material states that.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:16 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:That brings me to another question. In the Goku VS Superman deathbattle, that had SSJ4's multiplier at X4000. Anyone know where they got that cause I know they came to Kanzenshuu for one of the sites they got info from.
Probably by multiplying Oozaru (10x) by SSJ3(400X).
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:20 pm

I know that much, I'm asking as in did anyone tell them that or did they just make that multiplier on their own?
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