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Exactly. All you need to know is that Super Buu and Ssj3 Gotenks are close in power. Trying to take major feats from suppressed powers is a lost cause here.
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Was there any thing that stated Fat Boo was at 1 billion. Malik is apparently having his power levels low because of this.
D7 or D2 says they were on par at SSJ3. So are we going to follow that.Mjb1985 wrote:Exactly. All you need to know is that Super Buu and Ssj3 Gotenks are close in power. Trying to take major feats from suppressed powers is a lost cause here.
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Super Buu is never stated or implied to be suppressed. And it would be weird if he arbitrarily chose to tank base Gotenks and not Super Gotenks.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Gotenks was suppressed. He was only a Super Saiyan not his full power Ssj3.
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That's different from being suppressed. And going by feats, all that does is point to SS3 being a small boost for Gotenks.Mjb1985 wrote:Gotenks was suppressed. He was only a Super Saiyan not his full power Ssj3.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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I don't see it that way. He said he got super super stronger and dude it's Super Saiyan 3. The guy doesn't write stories with power levels in mind.
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I doubt Toriyama thought to reduce the SSJ3 or any SSJ form for Gotenks.Mjb1985 wrote:I don't see it that way. He said he got super super stronger and dude it's Super Saiyan 3. The guy doesn't write stories with power levels in mind.
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Small is a relative term. Even with a small boost, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks can one shot SS Gotenks, so he did get super duper stronger.Mjb1985 wrote:I don't see it that way. He said he got super super stronger and dude it's Super Saiyan 3. The guy doesn't write stories with power levels in mind.
That's my point. Take away the power level goggles and it doesn't look like SS Gotenks is THAT much weaker than Buu.
Base Gotenks: gets tanked by Buu, bores Buu.
SS Gotenks: Buu can't tank him, damages Buu with physical attacks, nearly kills him with ki attacks, still is at a big disadvantage.
SS3 Gotenks: Buu's superior, has a clear upper hand in straight combat, was going to win.
Going by feats, I definitely wouldn't put SS Gotenks mutli folds below Buu like base Gotenks.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Super Boo seems to be messing around. He isn't even angered until Gotenks calls him a name. Boo's body has always been easily blown apart or torn up. After the Super Ghost attack he has a drink as if he was never harmed at all. Boo isn't a tank, he doesn't even have to be as he can regenerate from anything. He was pretty much riding out the fight to let the boy show him some special techniques. He is pretty much just getting entertainment. In base Gotenks didn't even show him anything special as punches and kicks he can see from anybody and he's weak.The head butt thing seems to be a joke. Boo isn't even surprised that he can dodge anything either. He's just having a good time. Goku hurts Oozaru Vegeta eye with a weak blast even though it's the last of his energy. There's gotta be more than a 10x difference for that.
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We should all just agree that Gotenks is Gohans equal 
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Gohan could have, and should have, punted Gotenks into orbit.Son Edo wrote:We should all just agree that Gotenks is Gohans equal
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They're... pretty fucked up, in all honesty.dbzfan7 wrote:Malik's power levels for Cyborgs-GT
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Yeah... not even gonna delve into them. Wasn't that a joke list though?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Yea I don't think about the story with any sort of power levels in my mind. When you start doing that you run into trouble imo. It's best to just take the story as is and not worry about power levels at all.
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How strong is Dr Raichi?
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Of course he didn't, but then why are you posting in the power level thread?Mjb1985 wrote:Yea I don't think about the story with any sort of power levels in my mind. When you start doing that you run into trouble imo. It's best to just take the story as is and not worry about power levels at all.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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I don't know. Did his shield do all the work of defending him. I really don't remember.Son Edo wrote:How strong is Dr Raichi?
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I'd guess that he's as strong as your average old guy with a gun for a hand.Son Edo wrote:How strong is Dr Raichi?
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But can he match the awesome might of Farmer with a shotgun or Wily with a pistol.Kamiccolo9 wrote:I'd guess that he's as strong as your average old guy with a gun for a hand.Son Edo wrote:How strong is Dr Raichi?
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Because I like talking about power relation.