The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Draken]

According to my calculations and some assumptions, about how LSSJ3 works, he would be ahead of Ultimate Gohan, but below Gotenks Boo.

... Please explain those calcs and assumptions.

[Kaboom]

The notion of "LSSj3," a.k.a some form of SSJ3 for Broly that's stronger than any other SSj3, is a fan-made thing. In everything he's appeared in, he's just been labeled "SS3" or "Super Saiyan 3" Broly.

In a nutshell, I think his so-called Legendary Super Saiyan form is already his "beyond Super Saiyan" state, the same way others would use Grade 2/Grade 3 or Super Saiyan 2. It's some special combination of Grade 3 and Super Saiyan 2 that only Broly is capable of. His Super Saiyan 3 would only be one more step above it, with no "LSSj2" in-between. So he'd have roughly the same 4x or so boost that anyone else would get if they were using the form on top of Super Saiyan 2 instead.

So all in all, Super Saiyan 3 Broly would weigh in somewhat stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, but still get his butt whooped by Evil Boo, SSj3 Gotenks, or Ultimate Gohan. He probably still wouldn't be able to defeat Pure Boo even if he had a clear power advantage because he's too dumb to realize that he can't beat Boo by clothes-lining him.

[Kamiccolo9]

LSSJ2 must be a small multiplier for you then.

Well, since we never see any kind of LSSJ2, I just assume there isn't one. I think that LSSJ is Broly's alternate form of SSJ2, so LSSJ3 would be 4x that.
Edit: What Kaboom said.

[dbzfan7]

The notion of "LSSj3," a.k.a some form of SSJ3 for Broly that's stronger than any other SSj3, is a fan-made thing. In everything he's appeared in, he's just been labeled "SS3" or "Super Saiyan 3" Broly.

In a nutshell, I think his so-called Legendary Super Saiyan form is already his "beyond Super Saiyan" state, the same way others would use Grade 2/Grade 3 or Super Saiyan 2. It's some special combination of Grade 3 and Super Saiyan 2 that only Broly is capable of. His Super Saiyan 3 would only be one more step above it, with no "LSSj2" in-between. So he'd have roughly the same 4x or so boost that anyone else would get if they were using the form on top of Super Saiyan 2 instead.

So all in all, Super Saiyan 3 Broly would weigh in somewhat stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, but still get his butt whooped by Evil Boo, SSj3 Gotenks, or Ultimate Gohan.

I always found him being called SSJ3 stupid as he keeps his ginormous muscles. Perhaps LSSJ is a mutated SSJ2 then if I take the SSJ3 statements seriously. Either way on my list Super Boo, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Ultimate Gohan can beat him down.

[KentalSSJ6]

Lets just hope they stop Broly at SSJ3. If I see a SSJ4 Broly introduced I'm probably gonna bash my head in against a desk. Id personally find SSJ4 Broly to be impossible. I mean his body literally explodes going into his LSSJ form so personally, I think if he went SSJ4, the amount of energy he would have would just begin eating away at his body and turn him into a ticking time bomb.

[PerfectFreeza]

According to my calculations and some assumptions, about how LSSJ3 works, he would be ahead of Ultimate Gohan, but below Gotenks Boo.

... Please explain those calcs and assumptions.

Well, I have Movie 10 LSSJ Broly at 9,945,000,000, an inch below SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta(who are at 10,000,000,000).
Then, using my LSSJ multiplier(which is the same as the SSJG3 multiplier(1,95X SSJ) and the official SSJ2 and SSJ3 multplier, I calculated LSSJ3 Broly to be at 302,526,900,000(9,945,000,000 x 2 x 4 x 1,95 x 1,95).
The assumption is, that he gets the LSSJ boost atop a transformation, meaning his LSSJ2 and 3 transformations get almost 2x bigger boost than the normal ones.
I have Ultimate Gohan at 235,000,000,000, SSJ3 Gotenks at 164,000,000,000(he only gets the SSJ3 boost, since he doesn't have SSJ2) and Evil Boo at 150,000,000,000(10x Fat Boo against Goku and Vegeta).
Gotenks Boo would be 314 billion.
If he doesn't have LSSJ2 though, then I guess he is way weaker than Evil Boo.
Aynway, how would Android 16 vs Post-1st Rosat SSJ Trunks go?

[RandomGuy96]

On the subject of Broly, where would we put his LSSJ3 form at power wise? We know his basic LSSJ form is about SSJ2 in strength correct? So in terms of power his LSSJ3 should be about..I wanna say SSJ4?

I think his "Legendary Super Saiyan" is just a mutated Super Saiyan 2. So his "LSSJ3" wouldn't have a higher multiplier than Goku's normal Super Saiyan 3. I don't think transformations work like that. Super Saiyan 3 is just the previous form multiplied by 4, regardless of what that form is. Let's see where that'd make him with my power levels:

Movie 10 Broly- 66,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 3,300,000,000
--Legendary Super Saiyan- 6,600,000,000
--Legendary Super Saiyan 3- 26,400,000,000

(just for comparison, SPC is 7,200,000,000)

Let's compare that to other people in this same general tier:

Goku- 81,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 32,400,000,000

Mr. Buu- 30,000,000,000

Kid Buu- 36,000,000,000

...so yeah, I guess I'd have him as low SS3 tier.

Aynway, how would Android 16 vs Post-1st Rosat SSJ Trunks go?

Even without Grade II, Trunks butchers him. Grade II is likely a x1.5 increase or less, and no way Grade II Vegeta and Trunks are only x1.5 stronger than 16 when they completely demolished someone who tanked 16's punch and beat him in one hit.

[Kaboom]

Lets just hope they stop Broly at SSJ3. If I see a SSJ4 Broly introduced I'm probably gonna bash my head in against a desk. Id personally find SSJ4 Broly to be impossible. I mean his body literally explodes going into his LSSJ form so personally, I think if he went SSJ4, the amount of energy he would have would just begin eating away at his body and turn him into a ticking time bomb.

Broly gaining Super Saiyan 3 is a little bit fishy already, but passable. He's already got Super Saiyan and a special "beyond Super Saiyan" state without even training for it, and supposing that his power would keep growing and eventually break into the "beyond beyond Super Saiyan" realm beyond it is halfway believable.

But Super Saiyan 4 Broly should be downright impossible. Broly not having a tail isn't really an issue, since Vegeta reached the form without one too. But Super Saiyan 4 requires becoming a Golden Oozaru... and then keeping or gaining your reason and mental self-control while in that form.

Broly.

Reason and mental self-control.

Aynway, how would Android 16 vs Post-1st Rosat SSJ Trunks go?

Even without Grade II, Trunks butchers him. Grade II is likely a x1.5 increase or less, and no way Grade II Vegeta and Trunks are only x1.5 stronger than 16 when they completely demolished someone who tanked 16's punch and beat him in one hit.

I'll second this. Grade 2 presumably falls somewhere between Super Saiyan's 50x and Super Saiyan 2's 100x. If Vegeta and Trunks could both dominate Stage-2 Cell so easily with Grade 2, then even their regular Super Saiyan power would almost certainly be enough to manhandle Stage-1 Cell and any of the the Androids, even the most-powerful No.16.

[Kamiccolo9]

Lets just hope they stop Broly at SSJ3. If I see a SSJ4 Broly introduced I'm probably gonna bash my head in against a desk. Id personally find SSJ4 Broly to be impossible. I mean his body literally explodes going into his LSSJ form so personally, I think if he went SSJ4, the amount of energy he would have would just begin eating away at his body and turn him into a ticking time bomb.

Broly gaining Super Saiyan 3 is a little bit fishy already, but passable. He's already got Super Saiyan and a special "beyond Super Saiyan" state without even training for it, and supposing that his power would keep growing and eventually break into the "beyond beyond Super Saiyan" realm beyond it is halfway believable.

But Super Saiyan 4 Broly should be downright impossible. Broly not having a tail isn't really an issue, since Vegeta reached the form without one too. But Super Saiyan 4 requires becoming a Golden Oozaru... and then keeping or gaining your reason and mental self-control while in that form.

Broly.

Reason and mental self-control.

Maybe if his dad made him a much stronger fancy self-control hat? Then he could be a green-furred SSJ4.

[KentalSSJ6]

You just want a green Saiyan and you know it. Id rather die then see this become a reality

[Mjb1985]

Super Saiyan God Lssj Broly. Mind blown.

[dbzfan7]

Super Saiyan God Lssj Broly. Mind blown.

That looks more like LSSJ4 Broly.

[TheGmGoken]

LSSJ4 Broly vs Babidi

[RandomGuy96]

Babidi easily mind controls him and makes him kill himself.

[dbzfan7]

Babidi easily mind controls him and makes him kill himself.

But can Broly's stupidity be impossible for Babidi to control? In Movie 10 he is practically brain dead. What's left to control?

[Mjb1985]

Badibi couldn't even tell Vegeta what to do. But, Broly has been controlled before.

[RandomGuy96]

I thought Babidi can take control of you easily if you're really, really evil?

[TheGmGoken]

I thought Babidi can take control of you easily if you're really, really evil?

Let alone dumb as fuck

[dbzfan7]

I thought Babidi can take control of you easily if you're really, really evil?

But what mind is there to control of Broly. He is brain dead in movie 10.

[PerfectFreeza]

West and North Kaioshin vs. Dabra(without spit)
Their power is vague, as all we know about them, is that they are stronger than East Kaioshin and can 1 shot Freeza.