Did the Daizenshuu overrate Nappa?

[FoolsGil]

Chaozu at a Power level of 610 had a power level gap of 3,390. so that fight should have taken forever, logically.
We don't have accurate numbers for Krillin and Tenshinhan but I place them at 1500 and 1800 respectively, making their gap to Nappa 2500 and 2200 respectively. Piccolo at 3500, Piccolo would've rushed Nappa then, going into a huge battle because they are just so much closer to strength that it could go either way

Chaozu isn't 50% of Nappa through.
Krillin isn't 50% of Nappa
Tenshinhan isn't 50% of Nappa.

You can't switch math! How can you go from power level gaps to power level percentages?!!!

@Fools: True, but 99% of his feats lay far closer to the 4,000 side. He can't even touch Goku- hell he can't he even see the movements of someone at 5,000. A power level of 5,000 causes him to shit himself. His ultimate attack is brushed away like nothing and he's beaten around like a ragdoll, with his opponent treating him like a child the whole time. The Earthlings, on the other hand, get in several good shots on him that did decent damage. A single punch from Piccolo left him bleeding. One hit from Gohan left a gash in his head.

But he tanked 3 energy attacks. He didn't know what Chaozu was doing, and he didn't see the Kikoho coming. He came out of both unscathed. Things like that are why some of us place him higher than 4000, and even then that doesn't explain why the punches work on him at 7000, or at 4000 if he tanks energy attacks.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think he's referring to Nappa not being able to follow Goku's movements when he arrived and dodged his punch while he was walking over to give Krillin and Gohan a senzu. Even still, he's clearly shown being able to follow a more powerful Goku's movements a chapter later.

[RandomGuy96]

Because Chiaotzu was extremely weak and Tien was near death and nowhere near full power. He was probably twice as powerful as both attacks.

[TheGmGoken]

You can't switch math! How can you go from power level gaps to power level percentages?!!!

When did I went by power level gaps rather than percentages when I ALWAYS went by percentage. Show me a quote of me using it.

[ZombieVito]

Goku manages to dodge at least one of Raditz' attacks, and he's only a third, at most, of his strength.

This never happens....

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku manages to dodge at least one of Raditz' attacks, and he's only a third, at most, of his strength.

This never happens....

He dodges Raditz' blast at point blank range. The same attack that took Piccolo's arm off.

[TheGmGoken]

Goku manages to dodge at least one of Raditz' attacks, and he's only a third, at most, of his strength.

This never happens....

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[FoolsGil]

You can't switch math! How can you go from power level gaps to power level percentages?!!!

When did I went by power level gaps rather than percentages when I ALWAYS went by percentage. Show me a quote of me using it.

Nope.

Because Chiaotzu was extremely weak and Tenshinhan was near death and nowhere near full power. He was probably twice as powerful as both attacks.

But a punch to the face works better? I'm not even saying Tenshinhan should've shot Nappa out of the sky, being half dead.. But nothing but a punch to the face works?

[ZombieVito]

He dodges Raditz' blast at point blank range. The same attack that took Piccolo's arm off.

mmm interesting but you said it yourself Piccolo couldn't dodge it.

Hes almost Goku's equal haha. Ki attacks are very weird sometimes. Like Krillin's Kienzan cutting Freeza's tail when hes 5x weaker.

I was referring to physical attacks.

[TheGmGoken]

You can't switch math! How can you go from power level gaps to power level percentages?!!!

When did I went by power level gaps rather than percentages when I ALWAYS went by percentage. Show me a quote of me using it.

Nope.

No quote than your statement on me switching math(s) is invalid.

I was referring to physical attacks.

Kid Goku vs Piccolo
Piccolo vs Krillin
Great Ape Vegeta vs Goku

[Kamiccolo9]

He dodges Raditz' blast at point blank range. The same attack that took Piccolo's arm off.

mmm interesting but you said it yourself Piccolo couldn't dodge it.

Hes almost Goku's equal haha. Ki attacks are very weird sometimes. Like Krillin's Kienzan cutting Freeza's tail when hes 5x weaker.

I was referring to physical attacks.

Exactly. Power isn't everything when it comes to dodging. Goku and Piccolo were basically equal, yet one managed to dodge, and the other didn't.

Also, if you look at the panel where Goku and Nappa are actually trading blows after Nappa calms down, you can tell that somebody's punches are landing. And it seems obvious that Goku got the better of that exchange, since on the very next page, he's smiling and talking down to Nappa, while Nappa resorts to his ultimate attack.

Going out of universe for a second, when does anyone ever use their ultimate attack except as a last resort? If Nappa was fighting more or less evenly with Goku, why would he use a desperation move?

[RandomGuy96]

Neither can Goku when Nappa is calmed down/powered up.

That's more to do with the fight being really short. Goku had already kicked Nappa around like a ragdoll earlier. All Nappa did was dodge one kick.

Goku never fought at 5,000. Nappa did fight at 4000 BP against him at 8000 BP.

They didn't fight, but Nappa tried to attack Goku and couldn't see him. He also couldn't see Goku save Gohan.

Vegeta also got worried that order Nappa to kill all of them. Doesn't mean much to be honest.

Vegeta was calm and cool and didn't want to take risks. Nappa was flipping his shit, screaming about how the scouter MUST be broken, and sweating bullets.

Like nothing? Goku actually sweat there, if he haven't counterattacked he would have been seriously damaged. No way he could have tanked that.

...he countered it. At point blank. With an uncharged Kamehameha. Nappa himself is awed that Goku just brushed it off.

Nappa: It…It can’t be!!! That was my…my best technique!!! He…He just bounced it off!!”

That all ends when Nappa powers up.

Nappa can't 'power up'.

This actually makes me put him at 3,000. Gohan's blast shouldn't have that effect on him if hes at 4,000.

If he was 3,000 there, he was 3,000 while Goku was kicking his ass. Because he CAN'T. CHANGE. HIS. BATTLE. POWER. This is only stated a dozen times. Why is this so hard to grasp?

And there's literally no reason that a blast that's 70% of him can't make his hand sting a little.

Krillin only hit Nappa when he was distracted. And to be fair Nappa was just turning himself up and launched the punch without even looking. How can that be the same case when he actually was fighting head on with Goku?

Krillin still dodged him, and hit him with his Kienzan. And kicked him off guard. These dwarf any feats Nappa has against Goku.

But a punch to the face works better? I'm not even saying Tenshinhan should've shot Nappa out of the sky, being half dead.. But nothing but a punch to the face works?

Piccolo's punch > anything that any other hero did, in terms of power level.

[Jackal puFF]

Power doesn't equal speed. Example is Trunks vs Cell.

[TheGmGoken]

If Nappa was fighting more or less evenly with Goku, why would he use a desperation move?

Nappa is a high rank Saiyan getting bested by a low class named Kakarot. He'll wan to kill that bastard as quickly as possible. Now.....what other villain did this? Freeza was getting irritated and pissed, Cell was about to destroy the solar system(DONT DEBATE THIS), and Pure Boo is an asshole crazy guy

[Kamiccolo9]

If Nappa was fighting more or less evenly with Goku, why would he use a desperation move?

Nappa is a high rank Saiyan getting bested by a low class named Kakarot. He'll wan to kill that bastard as quickly as possible. Now.....what other villain did this? Freeza was getting irritated and pissed, Cell was about to destroy the solar system(DONT DEBATE THIS), and Pure Boo is an asshole crazy guy

None of those were used as a last resort for a fight except for Freeza's Death Ball, and he used that after being thrashed by SSJ Goku. Buu just felt like blowing up the Earth, and Cell was toying with Gohan all throughout the beam struggle. Totally different situation than Nappa.

[TheGmGoken]

If Nappa was fighting more or less evenly with Goku, why would he use a desperation move?

Nappa is a high rank Saiyan getting bested by a low class named Kakarot. He'll wan to kill that bastard as quickly as possible. Now.....what other villain did this? Freeza was getting irritated and pissed, Cell was about to destroy the solar system(DONT DEBATE THIS), and Pure Boo is an asshole crazy guy

None of those were used as a last resort for a fight except for Freeza's Death Ball, and he used that after being thrashed by SSJ Goku. Buu just felt like blowing up the Earth, and Cell was toying with Gohan all throughout the beam struggle. Totally different situation than Nappa.

Just in-case this get's to off topic WE MIGHT need a topic bu I'm sure we don't. ANyways. I was referring to the Deathball BEFORE SSJ. Right before the Genki Dama. Now...well...what the hell was Nappa's issue? Well I'm going with the fact Goku is a low class Saiyan.

[ZombieVito]

The fact that Goku didn't tanked Nappa's last attack speaks wonders. If Nappa can't change is power level then he can't amp his attacks. That attack shouldn't had been a risk for Goku. He tanked one just like it earlier, by screaming.

[TheGmGoken]

The fact that Goku didn't tanked Nappa's last attack speaks wonders. If Nappa can't change is power level then he can't amp his attacks. That attack shouldn't had been a risk for Goku. He tanked one just like it earlier, by screaming.

It was also at point blank range. So who knows maybe point blank range doesn't give you a chance to get your defense ready

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Goku's having fun fighting, Nappa isn't. It isn't that odd to think he wanted to take him out rather quickly--especially after Goku made a joke. Both were shown smiling after the even bout. With as quick as the attack came out, he probably was expecting Goku to be too vulnerable to counter at that distance.

[ZombieVito]

The fact that Goku didn't tanked Nappa's last attack speaks wonders. If Nappa can't change is power level then he can't amp his attacks. That attack shouldn't had been a risk for Goku. He tanked one just like it earlier, by screaming.

It was also at point blank range. So who knows maybe point blank range doesn't give you a chance to get your defense ready

You don't need to put defense when tanking, just look at SSJ Goku's tanks against 50% Freeza. That's almost the same gap (Have Freeza at 46.66% SSJ Goku there).