Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:19 pm

And all of this ignores that Goku actually felt the transformation of SuperBuu - and nothing from the Kais realm is mentioned of FatBuu.

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:20 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:
Axiom wrote:What? Did you even read the scans I posted above? Gohan and Gotenks aren't even thought of as a valid alternative. Both Goku AND Vegeta where brought back to life just to fight him. Goku suggest doing such for BOTH Gotenks and Gohan to help fight - there was no definitive statement that they were capable of beating him.
How aren't they thought as a valid way?
Herms's translation says FIGHT, not HELP.
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”
He didn't say "Beat" and he mentioned both, implying it would take the both of them.

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:24 pm

It was temporary and no reaction is shown to Fat Boo getting angry over Hercule getting shot.So they could have felt his power.
Why would he need to say beat?Goku was listing reasons, as to why Vegeta wants to use the Dragon Balls.
That's why he lists both of them.
Plus, something could always go wrong, which brings me to the second point, that I already talked about.
Boo can absorb one of them, Gotenks can lose the form and unfuse..
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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:24 pm

Axiom wrote:And all of this ignores that Goku actually felt the transformation of SuperBuu - and nothing from the Kais realm is mentioned of FatBuu.
And you're ignoring that Goku said that he couldn't beat Super Buu.
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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:36 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:It was temporary and no reaction is shown to Fat Boo getting angry over (the H-word) getting shot.So they could have felt his power.
Why would he need to say beat?Goku was listing reasons, as to why Vegeta wants to use the Dragon Balls.
That's why he lists both of them.
Plus, something could always go wrong, which brings me to the second point, that I already talked about.
Boo can absorb one of them, Gotenks can lose the form and unfuse..
They could have - but didn't. Even the narrator didn't mention it. Stop adding things to the story that aren't stated or implied. It's annoying.

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Draken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:37 pm

Axiom wrote:
PerfectFreeza wrote:It was temporary and no reaction is shown to Fat Boo getting angry over (the H-word) getting shot.So they could have felt his power.
Why would he need to say beat?Goku was listing reasons, as to why Vegeta wants to use the Dragon Balls.
That's why he lists both of them.
Plus, something could always go wrong, which brings me to the second point, that I already talked about.
Boo can absorb one of them, Gotenks can lose the form and unfuse..
They could have - but didn't. Even the narrator didn't mention it. Stop adding things to the story that aren't stated or implied. It's annoying.
Stop ignoring blatant statements. It's annoying.

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:37 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Axiom wrote:And all of this ignores that Goku actually felt the transformation of SuperBuu - and nothing from the Kais realm is mentioned of FatBuu.
And you're ignoring that Goku said that he couldn't beat Super Buu.
And later retracted that statement based on his actions and statements of him, Vegeta, and the Kais.

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:38 pm

Axiom wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Axiom wrote:And all of this ignores that Goku actually felt the transformation of SuperBuu - and nothing from the Kais realm is mentioned of FatBuu.
And you're ignoring that Goku said that he couldn't beat Super Buu.
And later retracted that statement based on his actions and statements of him, Vegeta, and the Kais.
I never see Goku say that he could have beaten Super Buu. Please provide a quote.
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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:39 pm

They could have - but didn't. Even the narrator didn't mention it. Stop adding things to the story that aren't stated or implied. It's annoying.
Maybe they didn't, as Toriyama assumed people would know that from before, where it both happened and was stated twice.
Excuse me, but you can't tell me what to do.
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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Draken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:39 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:
They could have - but didn't. Even the narrator didn't mention it. Stop adding things to the story that aren't stated or implied. It's annoying.
Maybe they didn't, as Toriyama assumed people would know that from before, where it both happened and was stated twice.
Excuse me, but you can't tell me what to do.
Especially when he himself tells people to not tell him what to do :lol:
Hypocrite much?

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:57 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:
They could have - but didn't. Even the narrator didn't mention it. Stop adding things to the story that aren't stated or implied. It's annoying.
Maybe they didn't, as Toriyama assumed people would know that from before, where it both happened and was stated twice.
Excuse me, but you can't tell me what to do.
Oh, and we were supposed to imply that he powered up to SuperBuu's powerlevel because of.......(I'll wait)

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Draken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:58 pm

Axiom wrote:
PerfectFreeza wrote:
They could have - but didn't. Even the narrator didn't mention it. Stop adding things to the story that aren't stated or implied. It's annoying.
Maybe they didn't, as Toriyama assumed people would know that from before, where it both happened and was stated twice.
Excuse me, but you can't tell me what to do.
Oh, and we were supposed to imply that he powered up to SuperBuu's powerlevel because of.......(I'll wait)
The fact that Fat Buu and Super Buu are literally the exact same beings, just one with evil dominant and one good dominant?

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:00 pm

Draken wrote: The fact that Fat Buu and Super Buu are literally the exact same beings, just one with evil dominant and one good dominant?
So Goku Can beat Fat AND SuperBuu, but not Kidbuu....meaning that Kidbuu is stronger, correct?

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Draken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:03 pm

Axiom wrote:
Draken wrote: The fact that Fat Buu and Super Buu are literally the exact same beings, just one with evil dominant and one good dominant?
So Goku Can beat Fat AND SuperBuu, but not Kidbuu....meaning that Kidbuu is stronger, correct?
Whoa he brought in Kid Buu again in a topic entirely devoid of Kid Buu prior to his jumping in. Who'd have thunk?!
Goku can beat Fat Buu, stated by Goku.
Goku cannot beat Super Buu, stated by Goku.
Goku can stalemate Kid Buu and defeat him with teamwork and help, stated and shown by Goku, Vegeta.

Super Buu is evil dominant, with Kid Buu's power and *gasp* extra power due to absorptions!
Fat Buu is good dominant, with Kid Buu's power sealed up due to Dai Kaioshin's gentle heart and good influence.
Kid Buu is absorptionless and under his own power.

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:06 pm

Because of Daizenshuu 7:
He killed the North and West Kaioshin, absorbed the South Kaioshin, and then when he took in the gentle heart of the Dai Kaioshin, his ferociousness and power were somewhat weakened.
Did you read the OP?
EDIT:No, Goku can beat Innocent, Good and Pure Boo(with an amplified attack).Maybe Pure Evil Boo too, but not Evil Boo.He says so.
How is Pure Boo related to this thread?
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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:21 pm

So i'm guessing we got another Code Pink here.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Re: Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

Post by Kaboom » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:44 am

Axiom wrote:
Draken wrote:Why the fuck do you insist on bringing in Goku > Kid Buu > Super Buu into every debate? You've been told (twice, iirc) already to stop.
Enough. Again, if a moderator wants to do their job and correct me, they are free to do so. As for you, mind your own business,I'm positive that it's against the rules to instigate and moderate other members.
I agree on both counts. Draken, don't mini-mod. If somebody's acting up, just ignore it and use that report button. Axiom, for the love of Dende, quit dragging your opinion on Majin Boo power rankings into unrelated topics. It's off-topic at best and flame-bait at worst, you know this, and you've very much been asked before not to do it. Keep it to topics that are actually on that subject.
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