The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:23 pm

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Actually, Goku Jr. is 1/64 Saiyan.
How'd you get that?
It's stated that Pan is his great-great-grandmother. Pan being just his grandmother is a FUNi dub thing.
Oh. Well I haven't watched anything GT in a reaaaaaaally long time.
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Post by DynasticHunter » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:16 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Actually, Goku Jr. is 1/64 Saiyan.
How'd you get that?
It's stated that Pan is his great-great-grandmother. Pan being just his grandmother is a FUNi dub thing.
Oh really? Damn well I guess I need to watch this in Japanese as soon as possible. Unfortunately I've only seen it dubbed.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:24 pm

How strong is Genki-Dama absorbed Goku from movie 7?
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Post by PerfectFreeza » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:28 pm

IMO, he is roughly on par with suppressed Semi-Perfect Cell, as he punches a hole in Super 13, who I believe, is somewhat weaker than 16.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:18 pm

How strong is cut in half Freeza and Freeza who survived Goku's final attack and a planet blowing up on him? How low was his power level after all that?
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:19 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:How strong is cut in half Freeza and Freeza who survived Goku's final attack and a planet blowing up on him? How low was his power level after all that?
Strong enough to survive in space surrounded by pieces of exploded planet. I'd give an arm and a leg for a power level like that.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:20 pm

Freeza (legs and arms cut off, lung punctured, with whole body heavily injured) vs Yamcha
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:21 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Freeza (legs and arms cut off, lung punctured, with whole body heavily injured) vs Yamcha
Freeza would be like what 12,000,000? Freeza does a mouth blast.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:22 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:How strong is cut in half Freeza and Freeza who survived Goku's final attack and a planet blowing up on him? How low was his power level after all that?
Strong enough to survive in space surrounded by pieces of exploded planet. I'd give an arm and a leg for a power level like that.
Freeza couldn't move after he was cut in half. So that's gotta be one low level. After Goku gives a bit of his ki to Freeza, then he can move again.
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Post by Son Edo » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:27 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Freeza (legs and arms cut off, lung punctured, with whole body heavily injured) vs Yamcha
Freeza would be like what 12,000,000? Freeza does a mouth blast.
With Goku's ki
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:14 am

Son Edo wrote:
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Freeza (legs and arms cut off, lung punctured, with whole body heavily injured) vs Yamcha
Freeza would be like what 12,000,000? Freeza does a mouth blast.
With Goku's ki
12 million with no legs and lost a lot of ki IMO. With Goku's ki. 14 million(He was able to stand..float) so...he still wins with a mouth blast,
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:18 am

...12 million? Really? I have a hard time believing he's at 10% power with so many injuries. I mean, Vegeta at some point in the fight on Earth was less than 10% of his ki, and he could still stand and move and fight... with his legs attached...
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:20 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:...12 million? Really? I have a hard time believing he's at 10% power with so many injuries. I mean, Vegeta at some point in the fight on Earth was less than 10% of his ki, and he could still stand and move and fight... with his legs attached...
You want me to say he's weaker?
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:30 am

Just pointing it out. I don't know what level is sufficient for "can't even move", but I know it has to be below that, since Vegeta was lower than 10% and he could still move and had both of his legs attached.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by rereboy » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:11 pm

If Freeza hadn't survived Namek exploding, I would put him weaker than several millions after Goku gave him some of his Ki... But he did survive it so I think he had to be reasonably strong.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:41 pm

Babidi vs Dende in a slap fight.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:04 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Babidi vs Dende in a slap fight.
Dende. Babidi slaps him but he heals himself. Babidi ten breaks his little arms because he's to old to be having a slappy fight.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:31 pm

In a slap fight? Dende stomps. Guru unleashed his energy so he's definitely stronger than Babidi.
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:26 pm

In regards to Namekians, very important question.. How is Nail so strong compared to everybody else? I noticed even the elite bunch of fighters had low powers of only 3,000, then all of a sudden here comes a big 42,000 out of nowhere. I'm sure others are wondering the same thing. Vegeta was also only 30,000 when Nail was introduced, so Vegeta would have lost if they actually got into a fight.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:27 pm

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:In regards to Namekians, very important question.. How is Nail so strong compared to everybody else? I noticed even the elite bunch of fighters had low powers of only 3,000, then all of a sudden here comes a big 42,000 out of nowhere. I'm sure others are wondering the same thing. Vegeta was also only 30,000 when Nail was introduced, so Vegeta would have lost if they actually got into a fight.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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