The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:33 pm

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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:In regards to Namekians, very important question.. How is Nail so strong compared to everybody else? I noticed even the elite bunch of fighters had low powers of only 3,000, then all of a sudden here comes a big 42,000 out of nowhere. I'm sure others are wondering the same thing. Vegeta was also only 30,000 when Nail was introduced, so Vegeta would have lost if they actually got into a fight.
Why is Nappa so much stronger than Raditz?
Well it just seems odd how only 1 Namekian on Namek would have that kind of power and the rest would easily be stomped by an average Saiyan. But then Nail is like 4x stronger than King Vegeta...
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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:In regards to Namekians, very important question.. How is Nail so strong compared to everybody else? I noticed even the elite bunch of fighters had low powers of only 3,000, then all of a sudden here comes a big 42,000 out of nowhere. I'm sure others are wondering the same thing. Vegeta was also only 30,000 when Nail was introduced, so Vegeta would have lost if they actually got into a fight.
Why is Nappa so much stronger than Raditz?
Well it just seems odd how only 1 Namekian on Namek would have that kind of power and the rest would easily be stomped by an average Saiyan. But then Nail is like 4x stronger than King Vegeta...
He trained more than the others? He's the canon Broly but Namek

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:39 pm

I suppose if that planet also had a graviton chamber for Nail!! Like Goku's training.. :D
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:In regards to Namekians, very important question.. How is Nail so strong compared to everybody else? I noticed even the elite bunch of fighters had low powers of only 3,000, then all of a sudden here comes a big 42,000 out of nowhere. I'm sure others are wondering the same thing. Vegeta was also only 30,000 when Nail was introduced, so Vegeta would have lost if they actually got into a fight.
Why is Nappa so much stronger than Raditz?
Well it just seems odd how only 1 Namekian on Namek would have that kind of power and the rest would easily be stomped by an average Saiyan. But then Nail is like 4x stronger than King Vegeta...
Raditz is an average saiyan. Namekian warriors are 3,000 each. The elites in filler were 10,000 each. They stomp the saiyans.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:12 am

I've always just assumed that Nail received Guru's power up. It makes sense.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:16 am

Nail vs Lord Slug's men(The ones Piccolo fought)

Saiyans vs Namekians in a Baseball game

Saiyans vs Z fighters Saiyan Arc(Goku is with the Z fighters) in a football game

Freeza Race vs Cyborgs in Basketball

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Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:25 am

Nail most likely loses against Angira and Medamaccha, but stomps Dorodabo.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:26 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Nail vs Lord Slug's men(The ones Piccolo fought)

Saiyans vs Namekians in a Baseball game

Saiyans vs Z fighters Saiyan Arc(Goku is with the Z fighters) in a football game

Freeza Race vs Cyborgs in Basketball
Lord Slug's men stomp him. I think that Movie 4 takes place in an alternate timeline where Freeza was killed by the Spirit Bomb, so that's the over one million Piccolo that the henchmen took out.

The Nameks, Saiyans, and Cyborgs I guess? Due to speed? Unless Freeza gets bored and decides to blow the planet up in the latter, in which case he wins by default.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Tullece's Crusher Corps VS Slug's Henchmen (Excluding Tullece and Slug themselves).
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:39 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Tullece's Crusher Corps VS Slug's Henchmen (Excluding Tullece and Slug themselves).
Depends where do you have Piccolo in Movie 4.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:39 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Tullece's Crusher Corps VS Slug's Henchmen (Excluding Tullece and Slug themselves).
Any single one of the Slug henchmen splatter the entire Crusher Corps with ease.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Son Edo » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:41 am

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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:45 am

If Turles doesn't have any of that "mighty fruit" anywhere near him. Lord Slug is a little stronger. It sounded like to me when Goku was only using a x1 kaioken that he was almost matching with Turles.

But Goku needed more power than that to overpower Lord Slug.
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Post by Son Edo » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:51 am

Goku actually was a super saiyan in the slugg movie, toei just didn't know what it looked like, the whole pseudo or fake super siayan is baloney as far as i'm afraid.

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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:55 am

Son Edo wrote:Goku actually was a super saiyan in the slugg movie, toei just didn't know what it looked like, the whole pseudo or fake super siayan is baloney as far as i'm afraid.
I don't know if Goku was even capable. His base had to be no higher than maybe 25,000 or 30,000. But maybe I'm wrong? We did see Bardock do it, after all. He wasn't very strong before Frieza blew up Vegeta.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:56 am

Son Edo wrote:Goku actually was a super saiyan in the slugg movie, toei just didn't know what it looked like, the whole pseudo or fake super siayan is baloney as far as i'm afraid.
Yep. The form in the movie was intended to be a normal Super Saiyan, it just debuted before Super Saiyan in the manga. And Giant Slug was said to be far above SS Goku.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:58 am

Yep. The form in the movie was intended to be a normal Super Saiyan, it just debuted before Super Saiyan in the manga. And Giant Slug was said to be far above SS Goku.
Hence why we got a Kaioken x100

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TheGmGoken wrote:
Yep. The form in the movie was intended to be a normal Super Saiyan, it just debuted before Super Saiyan in the manga. And Giant Slug was said to be far above SS Goku.
Hence why we got a Kaioken x100
I thought super saiyan was 50x base level not 100x.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:06 am

It is. That's why Goku had to use kaio-ken x100 to beat Slug.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:15 am

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
Yep. The form in the movie was intended to be a normal Super Saiyan, it just debuted before Super Saiyan in the manga. And Giant Slug was said to be far above SS Goku.
Hence why we got a Kaioken x100
I thought super saiyan was 50x base level not 100x.
I said Kaiokenx100 not SSJ

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