The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:48 am

I think a X40,000 would have made Omega Shenron as difficult a fight for Goku as Rildo was. X40k seems to be severe overkill. Personally, id have SSJ4 at X1200-1500 at the max.
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:I think a X40,000 would have made Omega Shenron as difficult a fight for Goku as Rildo was. X40k seems to be severe overkill. Personally, id have SSJ4 at X1200-1500 at the max.
'Psh as I said before. Even Toei don't know. It;s whatever Toei feel like during that fight. I'm being serious to be honest. One moment he can handle heat from the SUN and the next....he can't pick up a building.....

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:52 am

Its a shame because there are some damn good fan projects out there that make GT sound pretty freaking good. I had a thread on here asking how fans would change GT and that gave rise to some great ideas. Head over to deviantart and look up The Devil's Corpse's Dragon Ball Redux project and youll see even more good stuff.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:30 am

Tullece(without fruits)vs. Movie 4 Piccolo(weights off)
I think they are around equals.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Son Edo » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:08 am

Well don't people believe Piccolo was pre nail fusion, and people have him over 100,000. But didn't we agree that Tullece was stronger than we thought.

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Post by Tyro » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:12 am

Kuririn (vs. Ginyu-Goku) vs. Vegeta (arrival on Namek).

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Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:18 pm

That's a really close one.I guess I'd give it to Vegeta.But then again, Kuririn could Kienzan him in half...
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:47 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:Tullece(without fruits)vs. Movie 4 Piccolo(weights off)
I think they are around equals.
Tullece, even with the fruit, becomes Piccolo's bitch.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:24 pm

Turles vs SSJ2 Bardock

Turles can use the fruit

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:26 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Tullece vs SSJ2 Bardock

Tullece can use the fruit
Bardock crushes Tullece in Oozaru, if that's EoB Bardock.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:26 pm

SSJ2 Bardock would be around 1 million. I've heard rumors Tullece reached a power that rivaled Freeza's first form but again those are rumors. Id say Bardock would crush him with relative ease.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:12 pm

After playing Tenkaichi 3 I came up with

Kid Trunks vs Gohan(Before getting back into shape when he had trouble with Goten)

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:13 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Tullece vs SSJ2 Bardock

Tullece can use the fruit
Going by his scouter: SS Bardock crushes Turles' skull like a grape.

Going by non-existent Toei transformation boosts: Turles one shots.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:01 am

SSJ Bardock is enough to rip Tullece a new one after eating 2 pieces of the fruit.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:11 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:SSJ Bardock is enough to rip Tullece a new one after eating 2 pieces of the fruit.
Depends on his Zenkai size to be honest. Let's say Bardock was 10,000. 10,000 x 50 = 500,000. Turles after 1 fruit can compare to that. So 2fruit would be over-kill

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:14 am

Bardock(Zenkai): 22,050
SSJ Bardock: 1,102,500
Tullece: 36,000
-Fruit: 432,000
-2nd Fruit: 864,000
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:16 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Bardock(Zenkai): 22,050
SSJ Bardock: 1,102,500
Tullece: 36,000
-Fruit: 432,000
-2nd Fruit: 864,000
Seems reasonable. Though knowing Toei. The furit would make him illogically stronger by a great deal. Remember how he blocked a GenkI Dama.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:19 am

Super Saiyan Bardock has almost no feats at all. I see no reason to put him above 600,000 at the very most.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:23 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Super Saiyan Bardock has almost no feats at all. I see no reason to put him above 600,000 at the very most.
But he was only SSJ for like 3 minutes in the movie and didn't fight someone strong. So it's natural he has no feats being shown.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:25 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Super Saiyan Bardock has almost no feats at all. I see no reason to put him above 600,000 at the very most.
But he was only SSJ for like 3 minutes in the movie and didn't fight someone strong. So it's natural he has no feats being shown.
I know. That's why I'm so perplexed by people thinking he needs to be high. Chilled is probably weaker than Cui, honestly.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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