How much stronger is Ultimate Gohan than SSJ3 Goku?

[TheMightyOzaru]

The question is in the title. I say less than 10 times stronger.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goten & Trunks in base are less than 2 times weaker than Goku in base. Base Gotenks is dozens of times stronger than Goku & the kids, so SS3 Gotenks is dozens of times than SS3 Goku, and Ultimate Gohan is even stronger than SS3 Gotenks. So, he is dozens of times stronger than Goku, maybe a hundred of times stronger.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Dozens huh? I respect that.

[Zephyr]

One tier.

[TheMightyOzaru]

One tier.

I like specific numbers.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Dozens huh? I respect that.

It all came from what official info we have available.

[Kaboom]

Since the manga and official guides and such are so wishy-washy and conflicted on the topic and can be interpreted multiple ways, I settle for a compromise. I consider Gotenk and Gohan to average between 2-3x stronger than Goku overall. That's significantly stronger, enough that he can't fight the same forms of Boo that they can, but he isn't so far behind that he couldn't catch up to them after a few years.

This outlook is admittedly a bit weaselly in some small areas (though I challenge you to find one that isn't), but doesn't strictly contradict anything and helps some of the movies and other post-Z material mesh with the series a little bit.


(P.S. - In a moderator capacity, I will be watching this thread like a hawk watches a crippled chipmunk.)

[Tyro]

Dozens huh? I respect that.

It all came from what official info we have available.

Where do you stand on the Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SS Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) debate?

[Zephyr]

One tier.

I like specific numbers.

Oh okay, my bad.

I thought there was a sticky for that though.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Where do you stand on the Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > 50x SS Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) debate?

I don't believe that base Gotenks (post) > SS Gotenks (pre). The way I see it, Piccolo overestimated Gotenks power (because of his huge power-up & overconfidence) and underestimated Boo (because his ki is like a lie). Of course, this happened for only a few seconds.
However, I do believe that base Gotenks surpassed SS2 Vegeta (that's how I interpret the Daizenshuu statement). Which means that SS3 Gotenks is over a hundred times stronger than SS3 Goku, with Ultimate Gohan even stronger than that.

So, Gohan is actually around 100-200 times stronger than Goku (If Boo's absorption works as addition, Gotenks Boo is about 2 times stronger than Evil Boo, so Gohan is less than 2 times stronger than Gotenks).

[dprez]

Gohan has to be at least twice as strong as Ssj3 Goku. Yea, it is some insane strength he possess. Only the absorbing freak that is Buu can surpass him, and of course the fusion God Vegetto.

Give the greatest warrior in history 10 years to train and master his abilities, and I can see father surpassing son once again.

[TheGmGoken]

I'll say A great deal like 3x - 10xl. Only because SSJ# Gotenks > Goku

[Bussani]

The question is in the title. I say less than 10 times stronger.

That sounds reasonable. If Super Saiyan Gotenks really would have been enough to handle Fat Buu, we could say that he was around the same as Super Saiyan 3 Goku; if you believe the official multipliers, that would make Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks around eight times stronger than him; Gohan was definitely stronger than that, so less than ten times stronger than Goku overall can make plenty of sense, so long as you look at it this way.

[RandomGuy96]

Thousands of times stronger due to base Gotenks (post) >>>>>> SS Gotenks post (expected) >>>>>>>>> SS Gotenks pre > SS3 Goku, and a level massively over Goku multiplied by four hundred still being massively below Gohan.

[Insertclevername]

I say he far out classes Gokuu but not enough to where it would be impossible for Gokuu to catch up.

[Victorious]

using SEG multipliers for SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3, at minimum at least a thousand times weaker, so Freeza vs Captain Ginyu type gap at minimum.


SSJ3 Goku : 1
SSJ Gotenks [pre RoSaT] : 1.25
base Gotenks [post RoSaT] : 2.5
SSJ Gotenks [post RoSaT] : 125
SSJ3 Gotenks : 1,000
Ultimate Gohan : 1,350

I personally feel the SSJ to SSJ2 boost is a lot bigger than 2x though.

[TheMightyOzaru]

using SEG multipliers for SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3, at minimum at least a thousand times weaker, so Freeza vs Captain Ginyu type gap at minimum.


SSJ3 Goku : 1
SSJ Gotenks [pre RoSaT] : 1.25
base Gotenks [post RoSaT] : 2.5
SSJ Gotenks [post RoSaT] : 125
SSJ3 Gotenks : 1,000
Ultimate Gohan : 1,350

I personally feel the SSJ to SSJ2 boost is a lot bigger than 2x though.

, SSJ3 Gotenks isn't a THOUSAND times stronger. That's just waaaaaay too much no matter how you slice it.

[Axiom]

FLAME BAIT ALERT!

Simple answer is he's not, and even if by some strange twisted logic that I don't personally subscribe too, it can't be much.

Gohan AND Gotenks were both suggested as helping Goku fight Pure Buu, meaning Kaboom's theory just couldn't hold true.
We have the Daizenshuu's statement saying that Gotenks Leveled up so much his strength surpassed Vegeta AFTER training.
We know that in the history of DBZ, no Sayjin has ever matched his SSJ power in base form, much less after 2 weeks of training.
We know that Gohan isn't THAT much stronger than Gotenks, Trunks begrudgingly admits it.
We know that Goku by the end of Z is looking for a worthy opponent - implying that no one is on Goku's level. I mean, he waited 10 years!
Of course, we know Goku says that him and Vegeta would be killed by Evil Buu ----BUT Goku was confident that he could at least manage something, even as a SSJ2 with Vegeta's help.
We know that KidBuu is stronger than FatBuu. We know that "Buff Buu" is stronger than Evil Buu. The Manga and Anime make no mention that KidBuu's power dropped, and Kaishinn wasn't somehow relieved that a supposedly weaker Buu showed up.
Fusion was suggested to beat Kidbuu

I think that covers it.

[TheMightyOzaru]

FLAME BAIT ALERT!

Simple answer is he's not, and even if by some strange twisted logic that I don't personally subscribe too, it can't be much.

Gohan AND Gotenks were both suggested as helping Goku fight Pure Buu, meaning Kaboom's theory just couldn't hold true.
We have the Daizenshuu's statement saying that Gotenks Leveled up so much his strength surpassed Vegeta AFTER training.
We know that in the history of DBZ, no Sayjin has ever matched his SSJ power in base form, much less after 2 weeks of training.
We know that Gohan isn't THAT much stronger than Gotenks, Trunks begrudgingly admits it.
We know that Goku by the end of Z is looking for a worthy opponent - implying that no one is on Goku's level. I mean, he waited 10 years!
Of course, we know Goku says that him and Vegeta would be killed by Evil Buu ----BUT Goku was confident that he could at least manage something, even as a SSJ2 with Vegeta's help.
We know that KidBuu is stronger than FatBuu. We know that "Buff Buu" is stronger than Evil Buu. The Manga and Anime make no mention that KidBuu's power dropped, and Kaishinn wasn't somehow relieved that a supposedly weaker Buu showed up.
Fusion was suggested to beat Kidbuu

I think that covers it.

Ok, I'm gonna put up a rule right now. If you feel Gohan isn't stronger, don't participate in this conversation. This topic is clearly asking how much stronger Gohan is, not whether you believe he isn't stronger to begin with.

[Axiom]

FLAME BAIT ALERT!

Simple answer is he's not, and even if by some strange twisted logic that I don't personally subscribe too, it can't be much.

Gohan AND Gotenks were both suggested as helping Goku fight Pure Buu, meaning Kaboom's theory just couldn't hold true.
We have the Daizenshuu's statement saying that Gotenks Leveled up so much his strength surpassed Vegeta AFTER training.
We know that in the history of DBZ, no Sayjin has ever matched his SSJ power in base form, much less after 2 weeks of training.
We know that Gohan isn't THAT much stronger than Gotenks, Trunks begrudgingly admits it.
We know that Goku by the end of Z is looking for a worthy opponent - implying that no one is on Goku's level. I mean, he waited 10 years!
Of course, we know Goku says that him and Vegeta would be killed by Evil Buu ----BUT Goku was confident that he could at least manage something, even as a SSJ2 with Vegeta's help.
We know that KidBuu is stronger than FatBuu. We know that "Buff Buu" is stronger than Evil Buu. The Manga and Anime make no mention that KidBuu's power dropped, and Kaishinn wasn't somehow relieved that a supposedly weaker Buu showed up.
Fusion was suggested to beat Kidbuu

I think that covers it.

Ok, I'm gonna put up a rule right now. If you feel Gohan isn't stronger, don't participate in this conversation. This topic is clearly asking how much stronger Gohan is, not whether you believe he isn't stronger to begin with.

First - don't tell me what to do.
Second - I already answered the question smart guy. Why don't you try reading it again, and I'll bold it out for you.