Source of overrating Broly?

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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by SaiyaJedi » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:03 pm

Actually, the ultimate source appears to be Takao Koyama, who wrote the character. His attitude towards the "Legendary Super Saiyan" that he used three times because he ran out of ideas doesn't seem much different from that of the Broly fanboys.
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Re: Where you think all the Broly being stronger than everyo

Post by DonZ » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:21 pm

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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:46 pm

SaiyaJedi wrote:Actually, the ultimate source appears to be Takao Koyama, who wrote the character. His attitude towards the "Legendary Super Saiyan" that he used three times because he ran out of ideas doesn't seem much different from that of the Broly fanboys.
In addition to this, and for you younger fans out there, Broli was in hyperbolic-overrated fanboy insanity territory long before the Budokai 3 opening animation in 2004.
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:52 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
SaiyaJedi wrote:Actually, the ultimate source appears to be Takao Koyama, who wrote the character. His attitude towards the "Legendary Super Saiyan" that he used three times because he ran out of ideas doesn't seem much different from that of the Broly fanboys.
In addition to this, and for you younger fans out there, Broli was in hyperbolic-overrated fanboy insanity territory long before the Budokai 3 opening animation in 2004.
What's your definition of a younger fan?

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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by Cursed Lemon » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:56 pm

I really think that it simply originates from his presentation. First of all, he's a saiyan, which scores him huge points. Secondly, he's brought about in such a way that leaves the audience mumbling, "don't wake the beast" throughout the entire movie. And I mean, think about it - when was the last time a villain was so terrifying that it put Vegeta in a catatonic stupor BEFORE the battle even began?
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:58 pm

Cursed Lemon wrote:I really think that it simply originates from his presentation. First of all, he's a saiyan, which scores him huge points. Secondly, he's brought about in such a way that leaves the audience mumbling, "don't wake the beast" throughout the entire movie. And I mean, think about it - when was the last time a villain was so terrifying that it put Vegeta in a catatonic stupor BEFORE the battle even began?
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by Thanos » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:19 pm

I think perhaps the roots of the exaggeration of Broli's power might stem from, at least to some degree, Super Butouden 2. Other countries had the rom for the game years before ever having the movie translated to their respective language, so there was this mystique to this unknown Super Saiyan that could only be accessed through a code or by a special path in the game's story mode. Not to mention the fact that there were these short, low-quality clips in Japanese of Broli beating the absolute living shit out of the main characters. I remember in particular, the clip of Goku hitting Broli directly in the face with a Kamehame-Ha that didn't phase him. Personally, as a kid, that made him seem a hell of a lot more threatening than he was.

And by the time the Budokais rolled around, they only succeeded in perpetuating this idea that somehow Broli is the most powerful being ever despite being killed by a weaker-than-when-he-fought-Cell Gohan and Goten.

But I will say the novelty in having Broli in a game wore off after Budokai 3. The fact that he and Bardock appear as a standard in an otherwise main series-only roster is getting extremely stale. Then introducing a Super Saiyan 3 form for Broli and Super Saiyan for Bardock was basically just milking an already dry cow.
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by Sin » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:22 pm

Cursed Lemon wrote:I really think that it simply originates from his presentation. First of all, he's a saiyan, which scores him huge points. Secondly, he's brought about in such a way that leaves the audience mumbling, "don't wake the beast" throughout the entire movie. And I mean, think about it - when was the last time a villain was so terrifying that it put Vegeta in a catatonic stupor BEFORE the battle even began?
I agree, and I think the rogue Super Saiyan on steroids is just a caricature of what I think fans wanted to see, a powerhouse of a villain who could put up a great fight. He just has a large presence and he cannot be reasoned with, I think to some extent even Freeza and Cell are negotiable, Broly is just a mute brute.

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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:29 pm

Speaking as someone who was a huge fan of Broly at the age of 9, I think it was usually a case of his reputation preceding him. I don't even know how I'd heard of him before I played Budokai 3, but it was just one of those things that you pick up on (like Gogeta and GT) without ever seeing it. The mystery surrounding him really generated a sort of hype for the character and when I finally saw the film, it really blew my young mind. Seeing a DBZ film that exceeded the usual 40-60 minute time-frame as well as the usage of the "Real American Rock Bands" really gave the impression of something big. That, and the fact that there were two more movies involving him tricked me into thinking he was a bigger deal than he actually was.

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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by Thanos » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:30 pm

I'm surprised there hasn't been a podcast episode on this very subject. :P
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by Ringworm128 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:01 pm

I always thought the over hype of Broli came from the "getting stronger" line from the Funimation dub of Movie 8 which caused people to believe that he could grow in strength without even needing to train.

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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by Wasted Wisher » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:36 am

Purely conjecture on my part, but...
I believe another factor in some fans insisting that Broly is more powerful than Buu and all that is the fact that the Broly movies were released in the US well after the Majin Buu saga aired. (Yes, I checked the list of air and release dates in the US for comparison.)
Most young fans at the time probably didn't want to be bothered with sorting out continuity (or were incapable of doing so), so they just assumed, "Hey, a new DBZ movie with a new bad guy that came out after Majin Buu! He MUST be stronger!"
As for why Broly seems to be dominating over characters that should be much stronger than him in the more recent video game intros, I suspect a certain amount of pandering to the expectations of foreign (non-Japanese) DB fans that believe, as I stated earlier, that "Broly MUST be stronger!"
Again, all just wild guesses on my part.

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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:42 am

That's a major factor I forgot about. But can't they tell that GOhan is a kid? I know younger kids(Sometimes it goes into adulthood) don't want to do all this canon stuff and continuity bout should't they know that this takes place before Boo? I mean I used to think Brol > Fat Boo(Not the other Boo) as well but not because I saw the movie after Boo Arc since I knew it took place during Cell Arc.

Also can anyone ask this? I know they want to promote that Movie characters are in the games but why they have Broly fighting Gogeta and in Tenkaichi 3 he was fighting Mystic Gohan?

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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by VegettoEX » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:18 am

Thanos wrote:I'm surprised there hasn't been a podcast episode on this very subject. :P
Always been an idea we've kept on the back-burner. Wouldn't be opposed to dragging it out sooner than later!
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by MCDaveG » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:18 am

I think the biggest factor is, Saiyan and being Legendary Super Saiyan! It's not some meh Turles, Slug, Uiro or Bojack, it's goddamn Saiyan, like Goku and Vegeta.
So I think most fans are thinking about him as arch-enemy of the heroes. Like Batman and Joker, Superman and Zod, Holmes and Moryarty. You know, same race, same place origin only complete opposite.
Isn't that what makes him so popular? That his hair are turning blonde?

Because you are actually forgeting something on this forum. Yeah, nowadays, most of us are tired of Super Saiyan exposure and such, but back in the day, I remember that Super Saiyan was the coolest thing about Dragon Ball among kids, which led to rudiculous SSJ 5 and SSJ more ideas later.So I think the biggest factor is that his hair turns blonde and that Saiyans are possibly strongest race and characters in the universe defined by Goku and co.
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by MCDaveG » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:48 am

ringworm128 wrote:There's also this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DlXamubEc4
Oh god, I forgot about that! :o
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by Rocketman » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:47 am

I agree that the South Galaxy destruction is the biggest thing. Second being that clip where he tanks Goku's Kamehameha.
MCDaveG wrote:It's not some meh Tullece...it's goddamn Saiyan, like Goku and Vegeta.
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by Rostir » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:41 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Where you think the "Broly being stronger than everyone" idea came from? Note I put this in the GF discussion because this is NOT a power debate so please don't say well..Broly is this strong and he can beat that. Okay all over the DB fanbase I've seen comments like Broly > ALL GT characters.
Big size, big muscles, menacing appearance, brain dead beastly personality
He's stronger than everyone in every movie he's in, (just because he's stronger than a bunch of weak people, it doesn't make him strong)
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Re: Source of overrating Broly?

Post by Saiyatonian » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:48 pm

MCDaveG wrote:
ringworm128 wrote:There's also this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DlXamubEc4
Oh god, I forgot about that! :o
Did he even destroy the galaxy? It's pretty odd how they just disappear without any sign of explosion.
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