The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

I think Movie 9 Gohan could take on Movie 10 Broly alone. I mean Movie 9 Gohan is his second strongest incarnation right behind his Mystic Form. Isnt movie 9 about 2-3 years after Cell? I also believe its mentioned Gohan consistently trained between Cell and Bojack so hed be even stronger than he was during Cell.

I don't remember it being stated he trained. And it was only a coupe moths after the Cell Games.

Even if that were true, he'd still only be number three, being post Z sword Gohan.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Gohan looked exactly the same as during the cell games. I think he's the same height as well. No longer than 1 year later at most.

Also 2-3 years of not training is enough time to lose half your fighting skill and strength. His SSJ2 would have probably matched Bojack, not overkilled.

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo (Post Nail, no weights) Vs Son Gohan (Enraged @ Freeza [second time], no Bakuretsu Ranma).

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Piccolo (Post Nail, no weights) Vs Son Gohan (Enraged @ Freeza [second time], no Bakuretsu Ranma).

Slightly stronger I think. It is also shown in the Anime that Piccolo was shocked at how much power Gohan pulled out just then. Also Frieza shows concern about that too, which mostly prompts his final transformation, to take out any chance of Gohan overpowering him eventually. I also believe Vegeta after his recovery, is only maybe equal to Gohan (when enraged).

[Rocketman]

Isn't that when Gohan laid a beating on third form Freeza? He'd smash Piccolo effortlessly.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Isn't that when Gohan laid a beating on third form Freeza? He'd smash Piccolo effortlessly.

Not necessarily a "beating" but as shown in the Anime, it took Frieza about 1-2 minutes to get off of Gohan's masenko.

He did overpower the 2nd form Frieza though. Looked a little bruised/scuffed getting up from the ground after that one. Until he powered up.

[ZombieVito]

Yeah Gohan never touched Third form Freeza. I have this:

Piccolo: 1,440,000

Gohan:
~ Enraged: 1,500,000
~ Bakuretsu Ranma (*1.2): 1,800,000

Freeza: 1,900,000

What do you guys think?

[RandomGuy96]

Piccolo gets smacked around, but Gohan can't stay angry long enough to deal the finishing blow. While I do have him at over 1 million even without the rage, Piccolo is stronger still.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I have Gohan's first enraged burst at around 1,300,000. Frieza powered up after that, so I then have Frieza at 1,500,000 from 1,200,000 earlier.

Then Gohan's second enraged burst at around 2,000,000. Frieza 3rd form should be in the range of 2,200,000 to 2,300,000.

Piccolo is at 1,800,000 on my list.

But as mentioned above, Piccolo will probably still victor due to Gohan's hidden power being all zapped up in a flat 60 seconds. Piccolo can withstand his attack, and it goes on from there. Winner, Piccolo.

[TheGmGoken]

Piccolo wins with superior battle knowledge and being able to last longer than 60 seconds.

[ZombieVito]

I have Gohan's first enraged burst at around 1,300,000. Freeza powered up after that, so I then have Freeza at 1,500,000 from 1,200,000 earlier.

Then Gohan's second enraged burst at around 2,000,000. Freeza 3rd form should be in the range of 2,200,000 to 2,300,000.

Piccolo is at 1,800,000 on my list.

But as mentioned above, Piccolo will probably still victor due to Gohan's hidden power being all zapped up in a flat 60 seconds. Piccolo can withstand his attack, and it goes on from there. Winner, Piccolo.

Interesting, where do you have Vegeta post Zenaki?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Interesting, where do you have Vegeta post Zenaki?

About equal to 3rd form Frieza. No higher. V-jump suggests 2,500,000 but seeing how he stood no chance against a 3,000,000 i have it lower.

After his first zenkai from his first encounter with Frieza, 450,000 is my number for him.

V-jump says 250,000 for his first zenkai but thats most likely before his 1 hour rest up. And to me he looked to be rivaling Frieza at 530,000. Gohan and Krillin thought they could win as well.

[ZombieVito]

Yeah that 250K is a no go. Still wouldn't Vegeta know he had no chance if he was = 3rd form?

[RandomGuy96]

Freeza was higher than 3 million when beating up Vegeta. I have him at 3% of his power, or 3.6 million. And nothing ever gave Vegeta a level of 2.5 million. Unless you're talking about that fake scan.

As for Vegeta and third form Freeza. I have 3rd forn Freeza a 1.8 million, Piccolo at 1.3 million, second form Freeza at 1.2 million (or 1% of his power), and post zenkai Vegeta at 2 million.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Yeah that 250K is a no go. Still wouldn't Vegeta know he had no chance if he was = 3rd form?

Its possible Frieza at his final form could mask his energy unless he was attacking Vegeta.

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta seemed to lose the ability to sense ki in the Freeza fight. He was still on his "I'm becoming a Super Saiyan" high.

[TheGmGoken]

Still wouldn't Vegeta know he had no chance if he was = 3rd form?

IMHO I think Vegeta's pride makes him ignore his sensing power.

[ZombieVito]

Well 3.6 mil seems a bit high no? Goku at 3 mil was fighting very well agaisnt him.

I have Vegeta at 2,200,000.

[RandomGuy96]

Well 3.6 mil seems a bit high no? Goku at 3 mil was fighting very well agaisnt him.

I have Vegeta at 2,200,000.

Not high at all to me. Freeza had a clear edge despite Goku's skill advantage. Like when he shrugged off that kick. 3.6 million is if anything a bit too low, but I like nice even neat numbers. In this case, 3% of Freeza's max power.

I like to keep Vegeta as distant from Goku as I possibly can, so his WTFawesome reaction to Goku's 3 million makes sense.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Well 3.6 mil seems a bit high no? Goku at 3 mil was fighting very well agaisnt him.

I have Vegeta at 2,200,000.

Not high at all to me. Freeza had a clear edge despite Goku's skill advantage. Like when he shrugged off that kick.

I like to keep Vegeta as distant from Goku as I possibly can, so his WTFawesome reaction to Goku's 3 million makes sense.

You are right, come to think of it. Watching the fight, the only thing that gave Goku the advantage was his cunning strategy that got the better of Frieza, before he powered up to 60,000,000 (holy shit your screwed)