Destroying the Sun

[TheMightyOzaru]

Ok I know this topic has been done to death, but my question is whether or not eh Gravitational Binding Energy should be taken into account when destroying the Sun. I'm under the impression that mass is the only factor to consider, what do you guys think?

[Rocketman]

The important thing to note here is that the Sun is already exploding.

The explosion is held in check by the incredible gravity of the star, creating a balance. If nuclear reactions in the core speed up, the star expands, but the expansion lowers the pressure on the core, slowing the reactions. Likewise, if nuclear reactions in the core slow, the star begins to shrink - but the shrinking raises the pressure at the core and the reactions speed up again (until the fuel runs out).


Also you're wrong, Binding Energy is more important than mass.

[mAcChaos]

So from what you're saying, a ki blast would not really do anything to it.

[KentalSSJ6]

Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rltpH6ck2Kc

[TheGmGoken]

Okay I'm using DBZ logic not real logic(Eben though science is my favorite subject). But I made a topic about destroying the Galaxy which involves some math and science. It uses Mass as you wanted. Here the thopic http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... lit=Theory. I think you even commented on it.

But here's what I got.

Sun - Mass 332,768 - Power - 3,329,000,000 billion

So yes a gravity binding attack with POWER can destroy the sun in DBZ. But the nerd inside me just have to say Binding energy is way more important than mass but since you was using mass I just went with that.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The important thing to note here is that the Sun is already exploding.

The explosion is held in check by the incredible gravity of the star, creating a balance. If nuclear reactions in the core speed up, the star expands, but the expansion lowers the pressure on the core, slowing the reactions. Likewise, if nuclear reactions in the core slow, the star begins to shrink - but the shrinking raises the pressure at the core and the reactions speed up again (until the fuel runs out).


Also you're wrong, Binding Energy is more important than mass.

Well for the sake of argument, lets say the power required to destroy the Sun based on it's mass was a Billion, would I need to take into consideration the GBE as well and increase the power required based on that?

[Kaboom]

I don't think it's possible. Heck, the sun is what Dragon Ball characters use to kill their enemies when their own power isn't enough to do the job. Even SSJ4 Goku used it to help kill Baby.

[RandomGuy96]

Only in movies and GT. And bizarrely enough, Cooler survived it while Broly died.

Then again, the sun shouldn't do anything to GT characters. Didn't Nuova Shenron dish out attacks hotter than the sun?

[TheGmGoken]

I don't think it's possible. Heck, the sun is what Dragon Ball characters use to kill their enemies when their own power isn't enough to do the job. Even SSJ4 Goku used it to help kill Baby.

hence why I have to sun power level being Sun 3,329,000,000 billion. . I honestly would put it much higher and say 329,000,000,000,000 Trillion.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't think it's possible. Heck, the sun is what Dragon Ball characters use to kill their enemies when their own power isn't enough to do the job. Even SSJ4 Goku used it to help kill Baby.

I honestly don't see why people have this misconception that the Sun killing the enemy means they can't blow it up. Broly died because the heat was too much for him. Saiyans can't survive in extreme conditions. It took a SSJ4 just to tank 6,000 degrees C. I, personally, also refuse to believe Cell was talking out his ass because it makes him look like an idiot. No one in this series has overestimated their ability to destroy an object so Cell being the only exception doesn't seem right.

[TheGmGoken]

I don't think it's possible. Heck, the sun is what Dragon Ball characters use to kill their enemies when their own power isn't enough to do the job. Even SSJ4 Goku used it to help kill Baby.

I honestly don't see why people have this misconception that the Sun killing the enemy means they can't blow it up. Broly died because the heat was too much for him. Saiyans can't survive in extreme conditions. It took a SSJ4 just to tank 6,000 degrees C. I, personally, also refuse to believe Cell was talking out his ass because it makes him look like an idiot. No one in this series has overestimated their ability to destroy an object so Cell being the only exception doesn't seem right.

Cell was above 3.329 billion most likely which is the power level of the sun in a fan theory video. So I see no reason why he could't.

Wait one moment I'm agree then I'm against it. Now I'm agree with it again.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I run with the same formula Vegito1089 used, but I used a different number for Earth busting. I use 16,000. Destroying the Sun, IMO, requires a power level of 5,327,136,000.

[TheGmGoken]

I run with the same formula Vegito1089 used, but I used a different number for Earth busting. I use 16,000. Destroying the Sun, IMO, requires a power level of 5,327,136,000.

To be honest. I'll say you need that power to match the sun but you need more to destroy it.

[RandomGuy96]

Dragon Ball Online says that Goku and Vegeta can create supernovas or ki blasts on par with supernovas (depends on the translation), which would go with the guidebook saying that Cell can blow up the solar system, as well as Cell himself. So guys like Super Buu, Gohan, and Gotenks should be able to destroy the sun with a casual finger beam. On the other hand, Pure Buu charged a big-ass blast stronger than SS3 Goku, and it was only calced at 50 times the power needed to bust Jupiter.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I run with the same formula Vegito1089 used, but I used a different number for Earth busting. I use 16,000. Destroying the Sun, IMO, requires a power level of 5,327,136,000.

To be honest. I'll say you need that power to match the sun but you need more to destroy it.

My BP for the Solar Kamehameha is 9,000,000,000 so Cell's fine.

On the other hand, Pure Buu charged a big-ass blast stronger than SS3 Goku, and it was only calced at 50 times the power needed to bust Jupiter.

I don't see how someone managed to calculate how much energy was in that attack. If it was based on the blast radius of the attack, it's a flawed conclusion.

[Hellspawn28]

Didn't Nuova Shenron dish out attacks hotter than the sun?

He said that he could make his body hotter then the sun if he wanted too. If his attacks were hotter then the sun then he would have burn the Earth's surface.

[lash]

Didn't Nuova Shenron dish out attacks hotter than the sun?

He said that he could make his body hotter then the sun if he wanted too. If his attacks were hotter then the sun then he would have burn the Earth's surface.

Even if it was only as hot as the sun it still would/should have easily 'burned the Earth's surface' at that proximity.
It's just standard anime/manga/fiction mechanics. Like Roshi busting the moon. There's really no point in analyzing situations like that to real life. The author isn't a physicist.

[Rocketman]

Lightning is hotter than the Sun's surface.

[TheGmGoken]

Lightning is hotter than the Sun's surface.

Isn't it much hotter? From what I recall lighting do strike Earth and doesn't always leave a burn mark(Even on trees) so I doubt being hotter than the sun would hurt the Earth. Unless he was hotter than lighting. Yes sparks are hotter.

30,000 °C - Lighting

5505 °C - Sun. So Hot Shenron could be around 5,606^C

[KentalSSJ6]

Lightning is WAY hotter than the surface of the Sun. Lighting can get as hot as 53,000 degrees while the surface of the sun usually sits around 10,000 degrees. The core of the sun however, is roughly 27 million degrees.

Regarding Nova Shenron's statement of being hotter than the sun, id need to know if he was talking about its surface or its core but even if his flames are 6k degrees, by the time Goku reaches SSJ4, that shouldent even phase him as hes tanked lightning as a mere 12 year old. Id personally disregard the whole Nova Shenron's heat thing entirely if were using real world physics.