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KentalSSJ6 wrote:GT Kid Goku VS Kid Buu, battle of the miniature power houses.
SSJ1-3 allowed, no absorbtions.
Goku was said to already be stronger than Majin Buu in base... so he stomps.
Then again, GT implied that the SS multipliers got really small.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:GT Kid Goku VS Kid Buu, battle of the miniature power houses.
SSJ1-3 allowed, no absorbtions.
Base Goku owns his face hard.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
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Well, the Perfect Files say SSJ4 is perhaps stronger than SSJ Vegetto.
That would make GT Base Goku really weak, right?
BTW, does there exist a fanfiction thread in the Fan-Created Works subforum?
The whole Super Vegito VS SSJ4 argument is tough to answer considering Goku gets SSJ4 in GT where hes what, twice as strong as he was when he faced Buu?
If SSJ4 and Vegito came around the same time it would be easier to determine but seeing the power and time gaps between the two, its nearly impossible to accurately determine whos stronger.
PerfectFreeza wrote:Then wouldn't that mean all those ''Pure Boo is the strongest Boo'' statements in the anime are wrong?
They ARE wrong. Even in the anime, there's more other Buus > Pure Buu statements and feats than vice versa.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
PerfectFreeza wrote:Then wouldn't that mean all those ''Pure Boo is the strongest Boo'' statements in the anime are wrong?
I can't see how SS3 Goku > Pure Boo > Gohan Boo > Gotenks Boo >>> SS3 Goku is correct by any means. Or Base Goku (GT) >= SS3 Goku (Z).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:The whole Super Vegito VS SSJ4 argument is tough to answer considering Goku gets SSJ4 in GT where hes what, twice as strong as he was when he faced Buu?
If SSJ4 and Vegito came around the same time it would be easier to determine but seeing the power and time gaps between the two, its nearly impossible to accurately determine whos stronger.
Vegetto is definitely stronger. I think he needs Ssj3, but he owns all GT characters except Super Yi Xing Long and Ssj4 Gogeta.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
2707-1669-7946
KentalSSJ6 wrote:The whole Super Vegito VS SSJ4 argument is tough to answer considering Goku gets SSJ4 in GT where hes what, twice as strong as he was when he faced Buu?
If SSJ4 and Vegito came around the same time it would be easier to determine but seeing the power and time gaps between the two, its nearly impossible to accurately determine whos stronger.
If Super Vegetto is stronger than SSJ4 Goku, would not have put the word "perhaps". Perhaps is a word without conclucion, that´s a fact!
Besides, we have Beyond Limits SSJ4. Yi Xing Long is at least 10 times stronger than normal SSJ4. Super Yi Xing Long is 10 times stronger than Beyond Limits SSJ4.
The differences between normal and beyond limits SSJ4 is way more than 10 times.
If Super Vegetto = normal SSJ4, SSJ3 Vegetto is 8 times stronger than SSJ4 but, Beyond Limits SSJ4 is more than 10 times stronger than normal SSJ4.
That´s a fact! Well, personally I see it in that way.
MDSTSSJ wrote:If Super Vegetto is stronger than SSJ4 Goku, would not have put the word "perhaps". Perhaps is a word without conclucion, that´s a fact!
In the manga, SS2 Goku & Majin Vegeta were stated to be perhaps stronger than Cell Games SS2 Gohan, and then stated to be stronger than Cell Games SS2 Gohan. So, the "perhaps" means that there isn't a big difference between Super Vegetto & SS4 Goku.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
PerfectFreeza wrote:But the Perfect Files also say Gohan was Ultimate and could go SSJ on top of that.
This was never stated.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
All the GT Perfect Files said about Gohan relating to his power is that he didn't neglect his training. Maybe slacked off here and there with it, but he never outfight just dropped training.
Buuhan
Buutenks
Super Buu
Kid Buu
Evil Buu
Fat Buu.
You forgot Buuccolo and Good Buu.
I'm guessing it's just the main versions.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
