Super Saiyan as a child's plaything - Your thoughts

[Sin]

So, how did everyone feel when this legendary transformation become so ... accessible? Considering how difficult it seemed to be to obtain for Goku in the Freeza arc and then in the next arc you have Vegeta and Future Trunks obtain it and it's kind of like 'Well okay, I guess these guys deserve it', then you have Gohan obtaining it and you're probably thinking he was bound to get it and the timing seems right. But then you have Goten and Kid Trunks appearing with it and the reason being down to genetics and back story.

I don't have a huge issue with Goten and Kid Trunks having the transformation as it was so far down the line there wasn't really any other way for them to be introduced to the main cast without it, but it shouldn't have been an issue anyway, Super Saiyan should never have become so accessible in my opinion and the forms (SSJ2/3/4) ended up becoming a predictable plot device whenever a new enemy showed up and needed defeating. The transformation in itself was basically a middle finger to every main character who wasn't a Saiyan bar Piccolo as it just brought the Saiyans up to a new level the humans could probably never achieve through simple training, so it should only have ever been an incredibly hard to reach form that had it's drawbacks.

What do you guys think? Did you feel the transformation was whored-out?

EDIT: Not sure if this actually belongs in the In-Universe forum as it's discussing the transformation or General Discussion as we're talking about the use of the transformation as a plot device for the franchise.

[Dr. Machismo]

It's definitely one of the Majin saga's flaws. I don't have a problem with personally though.

[DonZ]

I totally hate it. it's so ridiculous. SSJ forms are linked to emotions, anger. everyone who tranformed to Super Saiyajin has a reason. Goku achieved the SSJ when Kuririn died, Future Trunks achieved the SSJ when Gohan died, Vegeta achieved to SSJ because he trained a lot and his anger of Goku suprassing him, Gohan achieved the SSJ due to training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and he achieved SSJ2 when #16 died and due to his hidden power and anger. beside they already gone against stronger opponents and got in so many dangerous moments. they already have gained the experience, unlike Goten and Trunks.
what about Goten and Trunks ? yeah nothing. and i'm not buying the genetic thing, cuz they were born when Goku and Vegeta already achieved the SSJ.. still, they didn't deserve it. one of the things i hate so much about the Majin Buu arc.

[Dr. Machismo]

I totally hate it. it's so ridiculous. SSJ forms are linked to emotions, anger. everyone who tranformed to Super Saiyajin has a reason. Goku achieved the SSJ when Kuririn died, Future Trunks achieved the SSJ when Gohan died, Vegeta achieved to SSJ because he trained a lot and his anger of Goku suprassing him, Gohan achieved the SSJ due to training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and he achieved SSJ2 when #16 died and due to his "hidden power"
what about Goten and Trunks ? yeah nothing. and i'm not buying the genetic thing, cuz they were born when Goku and Vegeta already achieved the SSJ.. still, they didn't deserve it. one of the things i hate so much about the Majin Buu arc.

Well, in the manga, Future Trunks was a Super Saiyan before Gohan died. He may have gotten due to intense training though.

[Sin]

I totally hate it. it's so ridiculous. SSJ forms are linked to emotions, anger. everyone who tranformed to Super Saiyajin has a reason. Goku achieved the SSJ when Kuririn died, Future Trunks achieved the SSJ when Gohan died, Vegeta achieved to SSJ because he trained a lot and his anger of Goku suprassing him, Gohan achieved the SSJ due to training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and he achieved SSJ2 when #16 died and due to his "hidden power"
what about Goten and Trunks ? yeah nothing. and i'm not buying the genetic thing, cuz they were born when Goku and Vegeta already achieved the SSJ.. still, they didn't deserve it. one of the things i hate so much about the Majin Buu arc.

Well, in the manga, Future Trunks was a Super Saiyan before Gohan died. He may have gotten due to intense training though.

Well you've still got to consider that it was a bleak future with everyone Trunks knew being killed around him, it wouldn't be too hard to get filled up with rage and emotion in that environment.

[DBZ Mick]

Honestly after Goku and I'll lump Vegeta in with him achieved it, it became ridiculous. I mean you can say the reason why Trunks, Gohan, Goten and Kid Trunks achieved it so easily is due to half-Saiyans, half-humans having all that potential, higher than pure bloods... but when other characters like Bardock transform merely by being angry...yeah.

So it doesn't really bother me too much that Goten and Trunks achieved it.

[ABED]

Future Trunks hardly achieved it easily.

[Gaffer Tape]

Why do you say that? We really have no idea how Future Trunks achieved it. Hell, Goku's the ONLY character in the manga whose first transformation and impetus we really get to see.

[hleV]

I have no problem with that. It's both funny and DB-like, and it doesn't really fuck with DB logic.

[rereboy]

Why do you say that? We really have no idea how Future Trunks achieved it. Hell, Goku's the ONLY character in the manga whose first transformation and impetus we really get to see.

This. Only two SSJ transformations required intense overwhelming emotion: Goku's SSJ transformation and Gohan's SSJ2 transformation. Vegeta got SSJ and SSJ2 because he basically trained, we don't know how Future Trunks got his SSJ in the manga, Gohan got his SSJ in the manga simply by training, and Goten and Trunks got their SSJ simply by playing around fighting with each other.

So, Trunks and Goten definitely had a easier time than the others, but in most cases, SSJ transformations don't really require special circumstances to be achieved or overwhelming emotion.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Future Trunks achieved the SSJ when Gohan died

Well, in the manga, Future Trunks was a Super Saiyan before Gohan died. He may have gotten due to intense training though.

The manga shows us that SS Trunks is weaker than base Gohan. Plus, the Daizenshuu confirmed that Goten & Trunks (both present & future) are born with the ability to transform without training.

[ABED]

Future Trunks achieved the SSJ when Gohan died

Well, in the manga, Future Trunks was a Super Saiyan before Gohan died. He may have gotten due to intense training though.

The manga shows us that SS Trunks is weaker than base Gohan. Plus, the Daizenshuu confirmed that Goten & Trunks (both present & future) are born with the ability to transform without training.

It was like two panels and it was just training, not an all out fight.

[TheGmGoken]

I usually go by the manga(Since Akira Toriyama is the TRUE writer for DB) but I go with Anime Future of Trunks. So sorry if in future debate or past ones that confused people.

About SSJ kids. I have a problem but at the same time I don't. I thought the whole reaction of Vegeta and Gohan was funny. As it KINDA makes sense. Goku banged Chi Chi as a SSJ(A Master SSJ at that) and if Goten had it before Trunks then I see Trunks getting it the same way as Vegeta. Being jealous. I just have an issue that didin't expand on them being naturally gifted. OH well.

[sonikku956]

I think Goten should of went SSJ when Chichi was turned into an egg and killed.

[dbzfan7]

May as well let them have it. Goten and Trunks didn't get to really do much individually.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Goku banged Chi Chi as a SSJ(A Master SSJ at that)

He might have, but Goten was conceived way before the Cell Games announcement and him mastering Super Saiyan. By your timetable:

May 17th, AGE 767 - Goku and Gohan exit the RoSaT, Goten is concieved that night
February, AGE 768 - Roughly 9 months later, when Goten should be born
February, AGE 769 - Goten turns 1
February, AGE 770 - Goten turns 2
February, AGE 771 - Goten turns 3
February, AGE 772 - Goten turns 4
February, AGE 773 - Goten turns 5
February, AGE 774 - Goten turns 6
May 7th, AGE 774 - Goten is said to be 7

[TheGmGoken]

I think Goten should of went SSJ when Chichi was turned into an egg and killed.

I used to say that. But it would have been not important which is wold make it pointless.

[Cursed Lemon]

The problem I have with the whole thing is that Goten and Trunks never achieved great levels of power after going super saiyan initially. They just tapered off and may not have even hit FPSSJ (though they probably did). What kind of plot device is that?

[TheGmGoken]

Goku banged Chi Chi as a SSJ(A Master SSJ at that)

He might have, but Goten was conceived way before the Cell Games announcement and him mastering Super Saiyan. By your timetable:

May 17th, AGE 767 - Goku and Gohan exit the RoSaT, Goten is concieved that night
February, AGE 768 - Roughly 9 months later, when Goten should be born
February, AGE 769 - Goten turns 1
February, AGE 770 - Goten turns 2
February, AGE 771 - Goten turns 3
February, AGE 772 - Goten turns 4
February, AGE 773 - Goten turns 5
February, AGE 774 - Goten turns 6
May 7th, AGE 774 - Goten is said to be 7

I could have sworn it said Goten was conceived shortly before the Cell games.

[KentalSSJ6]

I personally dont care anymore and just accept it for what it is. I dont mind if all the Saiyans achieve Super Saiyan, but if they all suddently got 2 or 3 then yeah id would get ridiculous.