Wondered what all of them were. State them here.
I know Gohan turning Super Saiyan instead of his pure/Ultimate forms, Cell absorbing Goku, Vegeta being the stronger than Gohan at the time Baby attacked Earth, Goku surviving the Negative Karma Ball, what exactly happened to Goku at the end and dead villains not being able to die again.
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A lot of the supposed ones are listed here: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8383390/1/
And a lot of those have been explained.
And a lot of those have been explained.
CatouttaHell wrote:I guess he's just impossibly powerful and he now gets thrills from letting things go as much to hell as possible before busting out his ultimate power and ending the villain or some shit.
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What are the explanations to the ones I've listed?Nazi Cola wrote:A lot of the supposed ones are listed here: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8383390/1/
And a lot of those have been explained.
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I think we could go on forever if we listed them all done. Some on the top of my head that I can think of:
- Cell and Freeza are immortal in Hell when the dead are supposed to be gone forever if the die again. Since GT flows the anime and not the manga, Goku said that everyone on the Grand Kai Planet will be gone forever if Kid Buu blew it up.
- Bebi state that the Saiyajin were not originally from Planet Plant when King Kai said earlier in DBZ that Saiyajin and Tsufurujin both lived on the same Planet together.
- How come Pilaf was able to find the Black Star Dragon Balls and no one else couldn't? Also how did he knew about them when no one else other then Mr. Poo and King Kai?
- How did Myuu and Gero was able to create a new #17 in Hell? Was it done by magic or some type of technology.
- Cell and Freeza are immortal in Hell when the dead are supposed to be gone forever if the die again. Since GT flows the anime and not the manga, Goku said that everyone on the Grand Kai Planet will be gone forever if Kid Buu blew it up.
- Bebi state that the Saiyajin were not originally from Planet Plant when King Kai said earlier in DBZ that Saiyajin and Tsufurujin both lived on the same Planet together.
- How come Pilaf was able to find the Black Star Dragon Balls and no one else couldn't? Also how did he knew about them when no one else other then Mr. Poo and King Kai?
- How did Myuu and Gero was able to create a new #17 in Hell? Was it done by magic or some type of technology.
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Trunks sensing Android 17 and comparing it to 18's.
Vegeta's power jmping all over the place
The muscle mass of Saiyans. They can't pick up buildings
SSJ4 GOku being weaker than GTBase Goku
Super 17
HELL 17
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Vegeta's power jmping all over the place
The muscle mass of Saiyans. They can't pick up buildings
SSJ4 GOku being weaker than GTBase Goku
Super 17
HELL 17
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This has been asked a handful of times. Heck I asked this twice . That aside, GT doesn't have as many plot holes as people like to think there are, at least from the anime's perspective.
. That aside, GT doesn't have as many plot holes as people like to think there are, at least from the anime's perspective.Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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DB and DBZ had plot holes but they are nowhere as bad as the ones in GT. Toei really made Goku into a jobber since he can take on Super 17 as a normal SSj, but Ubb can't. Ubb after fusing with Buu is stronger then SSj3 Goku seeing that he almost killed Bebi Vegeta at his strongest.
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GT have more inconsistences and BIG mistakes than plot holes!!!
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Villains not being able to die, Cell absorbing Goku, and Goku surviving the NKB are the only ones I'd say are actual problems. The others are personal beliefs IMO.Dr. Machismo wrote:What are the explanations to the ones I've listed?Nazi Cola wrote:A lot of the supposed ones are listed here: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8383390/1/
And a lot of those have been explained.
True.TheGmGoken wrote:Trunks sensing Android 17 and comparing it to 18's.
It was pretty consistent to me.Vegeta's power jmping all over the place
Wasn't it a whole city?The muscle mass of Saiyans. They can't pick up buildings
Isn't this really just a Toei thing in general? Shirtless Base Goku always outperforms when he shouldn't.SSJ4 GOku being weaker than GTBase Goku
Again, that's a Toei thing. Z was guilty of it too.Hell characters
I think people just focus on the ones in GT because it's easy and less people will step up to defend.Hellspawn28 wrote:DB and DBZ had plot holes but they are nowhere as bad as the ones in GT.
I don't think Oob was anywhere close to beating Vegeta-Baby.Toei really made Goku into a jobber since he can take on Super 17 as a normal SSj, but Ubb can't. Ubb after fusing with Buu is stronger then SSj3 Goku seeing that he almost killed Bebi Vegeta at his strongest.
Episode 33
Time: 10m5s
Context: Baby is holding back Oob's chocolate ray
Baby: "I'm through playing around now!"
Note: In the dub, Baby just says it's Oob's bedtime.
CatouttaHell wrote:I guess he's just impossibly powerful and he now gets thrills from letting things go as much to hell as possible before busting out his ultimate power and ending the villain or some shit.
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So there's no explanation. How are the others just personal beliefs?Villains not being able to die, Cell absorbing Goku, and Goku surviving the NKB are the only ones I'd say are actual problems. The others are personal beliefs IMO.
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Well, IMO- Gohan is shown to still be able to turn Super Saiyan in BoG- for all we know in GT he just preferred to use it instead, Vegeta could have trained harder than Gohan did and got stronger than him again like at the beginning of the Boo arc, Goku's fate at the end of GT isn't a plot-hole, it's up for intepretation.How are the others just personal beliefs?
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
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And why should Goku be able to pick up a building?TheGmGoken wrote:The muscle mass of Saiyans. They can't pick up buildings
When did that happen?TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ4 GOku being weaker than GTBase Goku
I don't see how this is a plot hole. Planet Plant had only Tsufruians originally, then the Saiyans came, and both races lived on the same planet. In DBZ, Kaio never said that the Saiyans are from Planet Plant/Vegeta.Hellspawn28 wrote:- Bebi state that the Saiyajin were not originally from Planet Plant when King Kai said earlier in DBZ that Saiyajin and Tsufurujin both lived on the same Planet together.
These are not plot holes.Hellspawn28 wrote:- How come Pilaf was able to find the Black Star Dragon Balls and no one else couldn't? Also how did he knew about them when no one else other then Mr. Poo and King Kai?
- How did Myuu and Gero was able to create a new #17 in Hell? Was it done by magic or some type of technology.
Oob was suppressed when he attacked Super #17. After he powered-up, it was too late: Super #17 had decided to fuck them at that point.Hellspawn28 wrote:Toei really made Goku into a jobber since he can take on Super 17 as a normal SSj, but Ubb can't.
He was also fucking around with SS Goku.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Kid Goku pushed a mountain/big Rock. You're telling me by DBGT he can't lift a building. Hell since DBGT goes by the anime GOku as a SSJ2 at Z pushed inside of a Planet. Also SSJ4 Vegeta could't hold up a SMALL piece of the building.And why should Goku be able to pick up a building?
When did that happen?
It is a joke as seen Base Goku does better than SSJ4 Goku at a lot of occasions.
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Sure why not? Goku wasn't using his ki when lifting it.TheGmGoken wrote:Kid Goku pushed a mountain/big Rock. You're telling me by DBGT he can't lift a building.
Hell since DBGT goes by the anime GOku as a SSJ2 at Z pushed inside of a Planet. [/quote]
It was a small mountain, and Goku also used ki at that point.
Which episode?TheGmGoken wrote:Also SSJ4 Vegeta could't hold up a SMALL piece of the building.
Like when?It is a joke as seen Base Goku does better than SSJ4 Goku at a lot of occasions.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Did Goku even use Ki to push the mountain? Nope. With all that gravity training, weights in otherworld, and hell even all zenkais. And you're telling he can't handle a building by now. Not buying it at ALLSure why not? Goku wasn't using his ki when lifting it.
Can't find it. IMMAVegeta deleted the video due to copyright strike.Which episode?
Pretty much every Arc but Bebi.Like when?
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Fuck the building debate, ScrewAttack beat me already. 
Care to be more specific?TheGmGoken wrote:Pretty much every Arc but Bebi.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Don't watch Screwattack that muchFuck the building debate, ScrewAttack beat me already.
The other 2 arcs after BebiCare to be more specific?
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More specific. Tell me exactly in which fights base Goku does better than SS4 or even SS Goku.TheGmGoken wrote:The other 2 arcs after Bebi
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kApU-3s-6h0 <--- Where most of the joke of Base Goku > SSJ4 Goku started from.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:More specific. Tell me exactly in which fights base Goku does better than SS4 or even SS Goku.TheGmGoken wrote:The other 2 arcs after Bebi
Also Goku did use Ki to lift the building. http://youtu.be/33OJeUETzqc
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This is bullshit, Goku was powered-up because of the Genki Dama. But you said that this happened all the time after Baby. Is this anywhere else?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.