Gohan fell to his knees. You really think Gohan could train in 300 Gravity? No he'll do the same thing a TrunksA completely different thing is not being able to even walk properly, that is, not being able to withstand one's own weight.
Are you happy that Toriyama made Goku the hero again?
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Well, he obviously had some input in some of the contents, but it has been made clear most of the work was done by Shueisha, and that the Daizenshuu were most definitely not supervised by Toriyama.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yes, he did. He even helped with them
The Daizenshuu are supplemental guidebooks for the Dragon Ball franchise as a whole and not just the manga. They are official, but then again, so is GT (and so is DBE for that matter). Being official doesn't mean it makes any sense at all (especially when we're talking about Dragon Ball) and much less that every sentence ought to be taken with absolute literality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:GT is a sequel to the manga, and Toriyama even labeled it as a side-story. The Daizenshuu though are supplemental material for the manga.
Why couldn't he, if he was strong enough? Keep in mind this has nothing to do with real life, where such a thing would be absolutely impossible, although for completely different reasons. But in Dragon Ball, being able to withstand a stronger gravitational acceleration simply means being stronger.TheGmGoken wrote:Gohan fell to his knees. You really think Gohan could train in 300 Gravity? No he'll do the same thing a Trunks
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Cause even DB followed Gravity logic. Gohan fell to his knees does that mean he's weaker than Saiyan Arc Goku? NOPEWhy couldn't he, if he was strong enough? Keep in mind this has nothing to do with real life, where such a thing would be absolutely impossible, although for completely different reasons. But in Dragon Ball, being able to withstand a stronger gravitational acceleration simply means being stronger.
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Because he didn't expect that 
One single step and a sudden change was felt (only in the anime, by the way), of course it was noticeable.
One single step and a sudden change was felt (only in the anime, by the way), of course it was noticeable.
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Okay you can't ignore everything the anime did that wasn't in the manga. That was PADDING not filler. There is a difference ya know. I don't see no issue with DB using gravity logic. NOt everyone character can get used to differ gravity. Only the ones who were benefitedToriyama-sama wrote:Because he didn't expect that
One single step and a sudden change was felt (only in the anime, by the way), of course it was noticeable.
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If I was ignoring it I wouldn't even counter your argument (though some people will ignore that scene for the simple fact that it didn't come in the manga), but as you can see I presented you with the obvious explanation.
You see, if gravity increased suddendly by a factor of ten you wouldn't just fall to your knees, you'd fall square on the ground and wouldn't be able to lift a finger. The diference is, Z Fighters are able to get up after that, because their muscles are strong enough. Oh, and because they can withstand such a fall, which, I assure you, would not be pretty
You see, if gravity increased suddendly by a factor of ten you wouldn't just fall to your knees, you'd fall square on the ground and wouldn't be able to lift a finger. The diference is, Z Fighters are able to get up after that, because their muscles are strong enough. Oh, and because they can withstand such a fall, which, I assure you, would not be pretty
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Not really. D1 is an art-book. D2 & D4 cover exclusively the manga, and D3, D5, D6, and D10 cover exclusively the anime. D8 & D9 cover the Cardass games, and D7 cover both manga & anime, but distinguish which information are manga & anime-only.Toriyama-sama wrote:The Daizenshuu are supplemental guidebooks for the Dragon Ball franchise as a whole and not just the manga.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Yes, and therefore the Daizenshuu collection is a series of databooks on the Dragon Ball franchise, not just the manga 
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Re: Are you happy that Toriyama made Goku the hero again?
As a series, yes. But as individual books, no.Toriyama-sama wrote:Yes, and therefore the Daizenshuu collection is a series of databooks on the Dragon Ball franchise, not just the manga
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Are you happy that Toriyama made Goku the hero again?
But at least the first seven books were planned from the start.