All of GT's oversights/inconsistencies/plotholes

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Re: All of GT's oversights/inconsistencies/plotholes

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:15 pm

Rocketman wrote:The people of Earth aren't instantly crushed by Planet Vegeta's 10x gravity.
I never thought of that! :o
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:34 pm

Rocketman wrote:The people of Earth aren't instantly crushed by Planet Vegeta's 10x gravity.
I dont remember when earthlings were exposed to X10 gravity, care to tell me when?
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:38 pm

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Rocketman wrote:The people of Earth aren't instantly crushed by Planet Vegeta's 10x gravity.
I dont remember when earthlings were exposed to X10 gravity, care to tell me when?
On Kaio's planet.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:43 pm

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Rocketman wrote:The people of Earth aren't instantly crushed by Planet Vegeta's 10x gravity.
I dont remember when earthlings were exposed to X10 gravity, care to tell me when?
On Kaio's planet.
Those were super humans, which can sorta be excused. Should really bring up the GT point when everyone was taken to Vegeta/Plant/Tsufru to become Tsufruians, and then when the rest migrated from Earth when it was going to explode after the Bebi Arc.

Only thing I can think of for the first instance was that Bebi's little mind control egg was strengthening their body, but that doesn't help for after his defeat.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:45 pm

That or the ship Bulma built had a gravity alternator thats helped them adjust on the trips to and from.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:46 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:That or the ship Bulma built had a gravity alternator thats helped them adjust on the trips to and from.
That still wouldn't help for people Goku was using Shunkan-ido to teleport from one to the other after Bebi's defeat.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:56 pm

True. Your theory with the Baby possession could make sense but this seems more or less like another plothole.
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Post by Shineman » Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:47 pm

It's interesting that some people complain about GT this and GT that, but most of countless GT topics, it will only generate a few responds at best. I'll drop in my two cents.

The infamous SSj Goku > Everyone in Super 17 Arc. I've never understood how some people even reach that conclusion, so I did some digging and watch GT in it's entirely, in Japanese sub, no doubt. Throughout the entire battle, Goku only had one good hit on Super 17; however, the punch (despite sent him flying across the world) seem to be laughed at, as Super 17 instantly beat the living hell out of Goku afterwards, with Goku not even hitting him once (before spamming ki attacks).

GT has a good aspects, good plot and overall good ideas going for them. Just it's execution (I'm a huge fan of GT) was lacking in that department. Usually, as I do with all other series, I overlook the small inconsistencies and only focus on the more consistent ones. I'd always had a theory that, if GT's execution was actually perfect (at least for some Dragon Ball fans), would this whole canon argument will be up for debate?

Another thing I find interesting is the whole "Power Tiers" between Boo Arc and GT Saga. In GT, Goku stated that Super Bebi Vegeta had the strongest ki he ever felt, an respond where Bebi Vegeta stated he has the greatest Saiyan Power in all history (or something along the lines, I need to re-watch GT again). However, people seem to dismiss it like all hell and stated he meant this and that. However, in Battle of the Gods, when Goku stated that this "Godly" ki is different realm of power, people assumed that Godku and Beers (Whis too) are above Vegetto and so forth. I wondered why? :?
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:57 pm

It's interesting that some people complain about GT this and GT that, but most of countless GT topics, it will only generate a few responds at best. I'll drop in my two cents.
We get 5 DBGT topics every week :lol: . I'm not a huge fan of GT but some things people complain about is ridiculous
n GT, Goku stated that Super Bebi Vegeta had the strongest ki he ever felt, an respond where Bebi Vegeta stated he has the greatest Saiyan Power in all history (or something along the lines, I need to re-watch GT again). However, people seem to dismiss it like all hell and stated he meant this and that. However, in Battle of the Gods, when Goku stated that this "Godly" ki is different realm of power, people assumed that Godku and Beers (Whis too) are above Vegetto and so forth. I wondered why? :?
Because it was stated that Birsu > Vegetto and Whis > Birsu. Baby can't be above Vegetto(Super Bebi that is) because SSJ4 is perhaps weaker than Vegetto(Guidebook statement which was made around Shenlong arc I think)

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:00 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: These are not plot holes.
They seem to fit the plot hole definition.
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So Pilaf knowing about the Black Star Dragon Balls and Kami's backstory of him being a Namekian, creating a #17 in Hell and the different backstory for Planet Plant seems to fit the bill.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:09 pm

I see Super 17 is one of the hot topics when it comes to discussing GT one way or another. Mostly its "Super 17 was too powerful, Vegeta and the other could destroy him easily!"

I both agree and disagree with the statement. I have normal Android 17 equal to Cell when he first debuts in Ginger town. Now since he fuses with a 17 made in hell, I'm gonna say at the most, Super 17 would be Z SSJ3 Goku level. Considering Vegeta is the only one besides Goku and Uub that made any real progress in GT, id say SSJ4 would have been more than enough to handle him.

The issue he becomes such a pain is that he absorbs nearly every ki attack Goku throws at him as well as completely absorbing a X10 Kamehameha. Thats a HELL of a buff to have.

I mean geez, look at him. He seems like hes about to burst with energy.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:12 pm

I have an issue with Super 17 arc not the character to be honest.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:28 pm

Goku gets frightened by city busting, when Roshi was blowing up moons in Dragon Ball.

Golden Ape Baby Vegeta needs three fully charged blasts to destroy a planet, while Saiyan Saga Vegeta could accomplish the same feat in one, despite supposedly being millions of times weaker.

Gohan turns Super Saiyan, even though he explicitly lost that ability when Old Kai drew out his power.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:32 pm

Gohan turns Super Saiyan, even though he explicitly lost that ability when Old Kai drew out his power.
Who said he lost the ability? BoG had he turn SSJ and Mystic. Seriously when was it stated he lost SSJ? Mystic is just his strongest "Form" you can say

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Gohan turns Super Saiyan, even though he explicitly lost that ability when Old Kai drew out his power.
Who said he lost the ability? BoG had he turn SSJ and Mystic. Seriously when was it stated he lost SSJ? Mystic is just his strongest "Form" you can say
Well when he tried to power up when he got pissed at the Elder Kaioshin he had the SSJ eye color but his hair stayed in base form is one indicator.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:37 pm

Well when he tried to power up when he got pissed at the Elder Kaioshin he had the SSJ eye color but his hair stayed in base form is one indicator.
False SSJ? He was half way done?

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TheGmGoken wrote:
Gohan turns Super Saiyan, even though he explicitly lost that ability when Old Kai drew out his power.
Who said he lost the ability? BoG had he turn SSJ and Mystic. Seriously when was it stated he lost SSJ? Mystic is just his strongest "Form" you can say
Old Kai tells him to turn Super Saiyan. He tries and turns Ultimate instead, and never ever touches Super Saiyan again for the rest of the manga.

Whoever was making BOG apparently forgot about that. They intended for him to be a SS/SS2, the Ultimate thing was just a last minute visual change. The story seems to be structured that way as well; Gotenks still is confident in taking on Beers after Gohan gets stomped, Beers compliments SS Gotenks and not 'Ultimate' Gohan, he goes SS when he explicitly lost that ability, et cetera.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:41 pm

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Well when he tried to power up when he got pissed at the Elder Kaioshin he had the SSJ eye color but his hair stayed in base form is one indicator.
False SSJ? He was half way done?
His eyes changed from black to SSJ in the manga when he prematurely powered up.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:42 pm

Old Kai tells him to turn Super Saiyan. He tries and turns Ultimate instead, and never ever touches Super Saiyan again for the rest of the manga.
The rest of the manga? Gohan didn't fight for the rest of the manga nor did he have a reason to turn SSJ.
The story seems to be structured that way as well; Gotenks still is confident in taking on Beers after Gohan gets stomped, Beers compliments SS Gotenks and not 'Ultimate' Gohan, he goes SS when he explicitly lost that ability, et cetera.
Tien was still fighting Beers after 18 and Piccolo lost. Maybe since Gotenks is younger Birsu expected less.

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Well when he tried to power up when he got pissed at the Elder Kaioshin he had the SSJ eye color but his hair stayed in base form is one indicator.
False SSJ? He was half way done?
His eyes changed from black to SSJ in the manga when he prematurely powered up.

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Whoops. Wait even after he turned Mystic he had SSJ eyes? That would look ugly. Guess they did forget. Go figure.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:44 pm

Herms notes Birus commends Gotenks' fighting sense but is otherwise unimpressed.

After he turned Ultimate his eyes stayed black.
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